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Submitted by Don (Peru), Jan 15, 2009 at 11:06

Firsat of all, exactly when "in the recent" past was Christianity forced upon people at the point of the sword? It's not "ideologies that are not Christian" be fought with weapons, it's ideologies that are dangerous to mankind, a threat to free people in the world, and an ideology that seeks our total submission and an end to democratic and Western life as we know it that needs to be fought with weapons.

It has nothing to do with Christianity. But since you insist on making the ideology of belief systems of Christianity and Islam an issue of equivelency, lets take a brief look at the message in the New Testament (since as a religious scholar you understand that the Christian message is in the New Testament) and the Koran; the words and deeds of Jesus and the words and deeds of Mohammed. You do acknowlege, I presume, that Christians, however they may fall short, seek to emulate the life and deeds of Jesus, while Muslims do the same for Mohammed. (And will you also acknowlege that America is not fighting two wars right now in the name of Christianity, but in the name of national security, however wrongheaded it may be?)

Jesus: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." (Matthew 5:44)

Mohammed: "Strike terror into the hearts of your enemies." (Koran 8:60)

Jesus: "Turn the other cheek."

Mohammed: "Smite their necks." (That's "beheading" in English.)

Jesus: "Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you...on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is Heaven." (Matt 5:11)

Mohammed: "Slay them wherever ye find them." (Koran 2:191)

Jesus: "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy."

Mohammed: "Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another."

Jesus: "It has been said by those of old, 'Thou shalt not kill.'"

Mojammed: "A Jew is behind me. Kill him."

Jesus: "All who take the sword will perish by the sword."

Mohammed: "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords in Allah's cause."

Jesus never held a sword or weapon of war and did not kill a soul. Mohammed was a man of war, fought several battles (in Jihad), and not only killed men himself, but ordered the deaths (many by beheading) of untold number of people, including women. Jesus did not ask His followers to hate anyone, but to love even those who persecute them, while Mohammed ordered Muslisms to hate unbelievers as enemies of Allah, to fight them, subdue them, and even kill them.

You get the picture, Chris.

And as a religious scholar, you surely know Islam's history. Where does Islam flourished where the native inhabitants were not first conquered in war or subdued by force? And then had three choices: Convert to islam and live with the privileges of all Muslims, or keep your religion and willingly pay the dhimmi taxand forfeit some of your privileges, or fight us. Then...children were to be Muslim upon birth and learn the message of Mohammed as their primary education. Christianity has been a choice of free will throughout its history.

As far as Muslims "leading the way" in philosophy, chemistry, the arts or anything else...that's a myth and a lie forwarded to a gullible world for the sake of inclusion and political correctness. Yes, Muslims in the distant past had some contributions, but never in its history has it led the way or been at the forefront. It makes Muslims feel good to believe it, say so and think so, and for the West to accept it as fact (as you apparently have, and probably feel good about yourself for it), but it's not true.

As far as this "current" problem in Islam and with Islam...again, you simply either have your history wrong or you've fallen into the lies and false propoganda we're being fed. Islam has always - I repeat...ALWAYS - been terrorizing the nonMuslim world, unbelievers, and seeking to expand Islam by force when necessary. It has been a radical, violent, oppressive, bigoted, hateful religion from its inception. It is a retrograde religion that hates groups unlike them, oppresses women and girls, keeps its tribal attitudes from the days of Mohammed, disallows criticism of any kind kind, forces the religion upon its people, and has never separated religion and politics (as all Western and democratic countries do). It's been this way (and much more) for fourteen centuries, Chris, and hasn't budged an inch in that time. And you think Humanist discourse and dialogue and education is going to change it? Really?

Like I suggested before, go to www.islam4uk.com and several other Islamic websites in English, in Western countries mind you, for a peek into the world you think can change with a big group hug from us and a few lectures on love and acceptance and tolerance and education.

I'll say it again: I strongly believe, especially after spending 6 years living and working in three different Islamic countries, that the only way to stop Islam and its way of life and its attitudes from taking over the West and our own way of life is to FIGHT IT! Our only other choice is to become Muslim or dhimmis or dead. Islam, as it has many times in the past, sees a weakness and an opening in the West, and rightfully so. They are smart and clever and are now close to full press mode pushing their Jihad on several fronts and in many ways, not just militantly and through violence...many other ways right under our noses that anyone with eyes and ears can know clearly. They know our politically correct and liberal societies are ripe for the picking, and whether you want to see it truthfully or not, it isn't going to stop to listen to you appeasing gibberish.

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Ah Mansoor! [179 words]Adam the Scot.Jan 7, 2009 09:35147014
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selective sympathy [343 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJan 15, 2009 21:41147014
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myopic worldviews [1850 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJan 19, 2009 20:30147014
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Adam; you acted just like what expected by Abdelrahman: thoughtless [139 words]MuslimJan 27, 2009 11:25147014
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Israel and Clear Victory [1051 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 3, 2009 08:21147014
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CanadianChris, (9,11,01)your bold statement [68 words]InfidelJan 4, 2009 01:58146755
Sensitivity aside [285 words]CanadianChrisJan 5, 2009 00:21146755
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Mansoor's ...again [242 words]DonJan 5, 2009 23:34146712
Mansoor and Gathering the fingers?? [181 words]Adam the Scot.Jan 6, 2009 14:06146712
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READ, God told Muhammad READ [292 words]sTsJan 6, 2009 05:32146110
sTs or whatever [208 words]Adam the Scot.Jan 7, 2009 15:15146110
You've been brainwashed, sTs [532 words]DonJan 7, 2009 18:32146110
Your ancestors [111 words]sTsJan 8, 2009 16:14146110
Adam, sTs has a point [70 words]DonJan 8, 2009 18:13146110
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Here are a few off the top of my head [823 words]DonJan 25, 2009 19:14146110
You have brought a mighty rubbish thing [1492 words]sTsJan 27, 2009 02:43146110
That was great- everyone should read [96 words]DonJan 27, 2009 19:49146110
out of challenge [44 words]sTsJan 29, 2009 00:56146110
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Canadian Chris [69 words]Adam the Scot.Jan 6, 2009 14:32146109
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Canadian Chris [94 words]Adam the Scot.Jan 11, 2009 17:28146109
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Canadian Chris [159 words]Adam the Scot.Jan 12, 2009 18:11146109
Hummm... [85 words]DonJan 13, 2009 14:26146109
Adam and Don [583 words]CanadianChrisJan 13, 2009 19:08146109
I could refute every one of your points [976 words]DonJan 15, 2009 11:06146109
CanadianChris and religion [529 words]Mulla SadraJan 15, 2009 14:00146109
To Mulla Sadra [417 words]DonJan 16, 2009 08:10146109
Sorry Don [661 words]CanadianChrisJan 16, 2009 13:40146109
Okay [55 words]DonJan 16, 2009 17:37146109
Halloween Pranks [127 words]Jules PostenDec 28, 2008 19:18146095
clear victory is not on Israel's agenda [111 words]Yuval Brandstetter MDDec 28, 2008 12:47146084
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Best wishes to Israel and Jewish Brothers... [310 words]Indian Hindu..Dec 28, 2008 10:26146078
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best wishes from an Indian [27 words]sivaJan 2, 2009 02:04146078
mansoor [154 words]Adam the Scot.Jan 17, 2009 15:07146078

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