69 million page views

I could refute every one of your points

Reader comment on item: Israel and Clear Victory
in response to reader comment: Adam and Don

Submitted by Don (Peru), Jan 15, 2009 at 11:06

Firsat of all, exactly when "in the recent" past was Christianity forced upon people at the point of the sword? It's not "ideologies that are not Christian" be fought with weapons, it's ideologies that are dangerous to mankind, a threat to free people in the world, and an ideology that seeks our total submission and an end to democratic and Western life as we know it that needs to be fought with weapons.

It has nothing to do with Christianity. But since you insist on making the ideology of belief systems of Christianity and Islam an issue of equivelency, lets take a brief look at the message in the New Testament (since as a religious scholar you understand that the Christian message is in the New Testament) and the Koran; the words and deeds of Jesus and the words and deeds of Mohammed. You do acknowlege, I presume, that Christians, however they may fall short, seek to emulate the life and deeds of Jesus, while Muslims do the same for Mohammed. (And will you also acknowlege that America is not fighting two wars right now in the name of Christianity, but in the name of national security, however wrongheaded it may be?)

Jesus: "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." (Matthew 5:44)

Mohammed: "Strike terror into the hearts of your enemies." (Koran 8:60)

Jesus: "Turn the other cheek."

Mohammed: "Smite their necks." (That's "beheading" in English.)

Jesus: "Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you...on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is Heaven." (Matt 5:11)

Mohammed: "Slay them wherever ye find them." (Koran 2:191)

Jesus: "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy."

Mohammed: "Mohammed is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another."

Jesus: "It has been said by those of old, 'Thou shalt not kill.'"

Mojammed: "A Jew is behind me. Kill him."

Jesus: "All who take the sword will perish by the sword."

Mohammed: "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords in Allah's cause."

Jesus never held a sword or weapon of war and did not kill a soul. Mohammed was a man of war, fought several battles (in Jihad), and not only killed men himself, but ordered the deaths (many by beheading) of untold number of people, including women. Jesus did not ask His followers to hate anyone, but to love even those who persecute them, while Mohammed ordered Muslisms to hate unbelievers as enemies of Allah, to fight them, subdue them, and even kill them.

You get the picture, Chris.

And as a religious scholar, you surely know Islam's history. Where does Islam flourished where the native inhabitants were not first conquered in war or subdued by force? And then had three choices: Convert to islam and live with the privileges of all Muslims, or keep your religion and willingly pay the dhimmi taxand forfeit some of your privileges, or fight us. Then...children were to be Muslim upon birth and learn the message of Mohammed as their primary education. Christianity has been a choice of free will throughout its history.

As far as Muslims "leading the way" in philosophy, chemistry, the arts or anything else...that's a myth and a lie forwarded to a gullible world for the sake of inclusion and political correctness. Yes, Muslims in the distant past had some contributions, but never in its history has it led the way or been at the forefront. It makes Muslims feel good to believe it, say so and think so, and for the West to accept it as fact (as you apparently have, and probably feel good about yourself for it), but it's not true.

As far as this "current" problem in Islam and with Islam...again, you simply either have your history wrong or you've fallen into the lies and false propoganda we're being fed. Islam has always - I repeat...ALWAYS - been terrorizing the nonMuslim world, unbelievers, and seeking to expand Islam by force when necessary. It has been a radical, violent, oppressive, bigoted, hateful religion from its inception. It is a retrograde religion that hates groups unlike them, oppresses women and girls, keeps its tribal attitudes from the days of Mohammed, disallows criticism of any kind kind, forces the religion upon its people, and has never separated religion and politics (as all Western and democratic countries do). It's been this way (and much more) for fourteen centuries, Chris, and hasn't budged an inch in that time. And you think Humanist discourse and dialogue and education is going to change it? Really?

Like I suggested before, go to www.islam4uk.com and several other Islamic websites in English, in Western countries mind you, for a peek into the world you think can change with a big group hug from us and a few lectures on love and acceptance and tolerance and education.

I'll say it again: I strongly believe, especially after spending 6 years living and working in three different Islamic countries, that the only way to stop Islam and its way of life and its attitudes from taking over the West and our own way of life is to FIGHT IT! Our only other choice is to become Muslim or dhimmis or dead. Islam, as it has many times in the past, sees a weakness and an opening in the West, and rightfully so. They are smart and clever and are now close to full press mode pushing their Jihad on several fronts and in many ways, not just militantly and through violence...many other ways right under our noses that anyone with eyes and ears can know clearly. They know our politically correct and liberal societies are ripe for the picking, and whether you want to see it truthfully or not, it isn't going to stop to listen to you appeasing gibberish.


Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

Follow Daniel Pipes

Facebook   Twitter   RSS   Join Mailing List

All materials by Daniel Pipes on this site: © 1968-2024 Daniel Pipes. daniel.pipes@gmail.com and @DanielPipes

Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum.Daniel J. Pipes

(The MEF is a publicly supported, nonprofit organization under section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue Code.

Contributions are tax deductible to the full extent allowed by law. Tax-ID 23-774-9796, approved Apr. 27, 1998.

For more information, view our IRS letter of determination.)