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Our dear abd al-rahman who is no more than another victim of Arabian imperialism part deux

Reader comment on item: Israel and Clear Victory
in response to reader comment: Ignorants of Islam

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jan 28, 2009 at 18:05

Our dear abd al-rahman needs to get his money back from his glorious madrassa

>"Not just fight but kill as in iqtollo al-mushrikeen"

>"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and "slay the Pagans" wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. " Qur'an 9:5

So your Allah tells you to kill al-mushrikeen. Then do you still plan to kill al-mushrikeen when I have established that you are one of them?

>And you are mixing Ayat Al-Qura'n my friend ..

Mixing what? I'm talking about ayat al-sayf and you got it.

>This aya is giving us instructions to fight the Pagans who fight us as what used to happen in the days of of our prophet....

Really? where does it say in ayat al-sayf that: qatillo al-mushrikeen?Or fight the polytheists. It says iqtollo or kill and where does it say in the above aya iqtollo al-mushrikeen fi 3asr Muhammad faqat? You will not find it and many human beings suffered at the hands of Muslims because of this infamous aya

>"or could it be because Allah demands that he gets 1/5 of the loot (Q8:41) collected by his minions? Now the question is how can we get in touch with your Allah so he can collect the loot collected from the victims of islam and your Hindu ancestors included? Do you have his e-mail address?"

>"And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah, and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer, if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to our Servant on the Day of Testing, the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things." Qur'an 8:41

>Another thing that makes you an ignorant of Islam or you try to use everything in Qur'an aginst it... Allah owns everything in this life........

So why does he want to get his share of the loot collected from the victims of Islamic imperialism?Let me guess: because he ain't no God

>The aya speaks for itself and says that 1/5 of the loot should go to the messenger

Oh I forgot and also Abul Qasim and Allah will take 1/5 of the loot. No wonder he was no more than an Arabian warlord and caravan raider. So how can we get in touch with Muhammad so he can collect his share of 1400 years of looting?

>and the needy peoples as Allah owns all that's why you find "assigned to Allah"...

Really? so Allah tells Muslims to loot non Muslims so Allah and his rasul can get 1/5 of the loot and the aya also says that the orphans and the poor etc can share Allah and his rasul in getting 1/5 of the loot. I see. Is this logical to steal from poor people because they are non Muslims?

>"And where would I find in the Qur'an a book that you have to read in Urdu: wa la taqtulu al-ladhina la yahmiluna al-silah wa la taqta3u al-shajar wa la tahdumu al-mabani? So where would i find this in the Qur'an ?"

Where do u find these?... Hmm one of our mesenger's speeches " I left for you what if you hold tight you will never be lost after me ,the book of Allah and my Suna"...

You did not understand my Arabic sentence did you ya ayuha al-fahlawi al-kabeer? I see.

>So the suna is integral to the Qur'an and that was apart of the messenger's duties to guide his peoples through their life with his speechs and the instructions of Allah....

I did not ask you about the bogus sunna of Muhammad I asked you about the Qur'an so are you in the habit of making things up?

>"Really? well then you tell us why did Muslims invade the Middle East in 633CE and why did they invade India did the Hindus of India attack Muslims first? and why did they destory Buddhsim in India were Buddhists attacking Muslims? and why did they invade Spain? were the people of Spain a threat to Arabia at any time?What do you think ya ayuha al-falyasoof al-kabeer?"

>I told you the reason of the Jihad and not the instructions of it....

No you told us that muslims only attack the nations that attack them first and all I's telling you that you are either ignorant of the history of al-futuh al-islamiyya or you know and you are a liar. So which one is it?

>Muslims invaded these countries and guided their peoples through ages to the truth of Islam and they got agreat welcoming in some countries...

No you are not answering my question and you think that I did not notice? So why did the Arabs invade Egypt? let me guess: looting and imperialism right?Did your ancestors the Copts ever attack the Arabs before their invasion of Egypt? Let me help you: they never did. Now if you do not view the Arab invasion of Egypt as evil then you are clueless

>The Islamic ruling of these countries made sure that the religion of Allah spread ....

But we have established that your Allah can do that without wars and killings and sufferings because he is supposed to be omnipotent. But wait: now you are saying that the arabs invaded Egypt not because Egyptians attacked the arabs first but because Allah told the Arabs so they can speard Islam something that your Allah could not do it himself! Do you see how absurd your claims are so far? and did you notice that you just abandoned your little bogus little thesis about the arabs only attacking nations that attack them first. What a fake

Now here is some news for you: islam as we know it now did not exist in the way we have it now in 642CE when the Arabs invaded Egypt! Shoking but true. There is no evidence that it existed that early and in actual fact the Qur'an and the hadith and the sira and al-tarikh are all late

> The Islamic ruling has never oppressed the peoples of these countries

Really? well let us take the case of Egypt: Are you aware about what I would call the Coptic intifada of the 730'sCE against the Arabs that inveded Egypt as the Arabs wanted more money from the poor people of Egypt through the mafia tax known as al-jizya and the other mafia tax known as al-kharj and the end result was Egypt that used to be the bread basket of the Levants and Southern Europe prior to the arab invasion was in ruins and the 4M population at the time of the Arab invasion dropped to about 2M in 1797CE. Many Copts were deported from Egypt and your ancestors really suffered at the hands of those barbarians

I also urge you to check a great book about a Coptic village called Jeme (see "The women of Jeme") that was located at the site of the Ramses complex on the Western side of the Nile in the area of Ape (today's Luxor) and the exatant papayri and ostraca and epigraphy and homes cover the period between 600CE and 785CE when your ancestors the Copts had to leave such village and run for their lives from the wars and mayhem between an Ummayad warlord and the 3abbasids and you come and tell us that it was all peaches and cream

> or forced them to become muslims

Really? how about ayat al-sayf? So the pagans of Mecca were told to either covert ot be kiled Right? are they not human beings like you and me? How come you did not know that?So you agree with me that at least in the case of the pagans of Mecca islam was spread by the sword. Right? So much for the bogus calim by islamists that islam was not speard by the swrod

>and lot of them has converted to Islam when they saw that it's truth

Could it be they converted so they do not have to pay the jizya? I bet you a buck that if we here in the US impose a tax on Muslims like the jizya Muslims will line up to convert to other religions

>and others remained on their religions.....

As second class citizens as in the case of your own ancestors and 2nd class citizens in their own homeland

>And my friend Im not a great philosopher ...Im just telling you my beliefs...

Then you need to read some books and stop your little da3wa and reading this poor and violent literature called al-Qur'an and start to realize that Islam is no more than Arabian imperialism and tell yourself if Allah is really for real then he can take care of spreading his own religion

>"Bogus: That is da3wa and not jihad and you are ignorant and repeat after me: Jihad means holy war"

>The da3wa is apart of the Jihad and repeat after me : Da3wa is apart of the Jihad

So where would i find in the Qur'an: Qul ina al-da3wa al-islamiyya juz'an min al-jihad? Your claim is bogus

"You live in the Middle East? really? where? ..."

No in fact I live in the land of Pharohs

You and your people are victims of the imperialism of the Arabs

"I urge you to abandon islam and be free from the religion of the arabs and their imperialism"

>It's not a religion for arabs only it's areligion for all and I urge you to convert to Islam before it's too late..

Oh I forgot to tell you Allah also spoke to me via an angel called gabriel and I have a book for you and I'm not even an Arabian warlord and caravan raider and if you can believe that Allah spoke to muhammad the Arabian warlord and caravan raider and child molerster then why shoud you not believe me?

>I wonder if you really worship Jesus Saydna Al-Massie7 ???...

What gave you the impression that I'm Christian? But again the Christ was not an Arabian warlord and caravan raider or a child molester like an Arab that shall remain unnamed. The christ preached love and peace not war and kill the this and fight the that

>Well get alife how could you worship ahuman??...

Well you and your Allah worship your idol Muhammad when saying sala allahu 3alaihi wa salam right? I urge you to abadon islam and to stop being a victim of the Arabs your masters and their imperialism


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