Response to Kia Ora...

Submitted by Abuhajira (South Africa), Nov 22, 2007 at 03:22

Kia Ora to u too,

I do not know of any democratic governments who find 'pleasure' in killing their own, sounds rather paranoid to me. We don't actually have Fox news here and I do know the the conspiracy theories of 9/11.

1. This is why I urged you to read into actual documentations even made public. Find out why the wars are started.
2. And yes, it is paranoid, frustrating and completely insane.
3. Fox new is an icon of controlled media. Check the clipings from such news sources, e.g of the Oklahoma bombing, before anything they announced their suspicion to be arabs. See the documentary "9/11 and BBC.." or Loose Change.. these are no longer conspiracy theories... these are substantiated claims. Ofcourse we will only find out about these, perhaps 80 years from now.. like the ones about all the world wars we are finding now..

a. WW1: Lusithania was sunk by germans that carried America into the World War against what Pr. Woodrow had said about American interest in war. However, a documented correspondence between Colonel E. House and Sir. E. Grey showed the keeness of America to go into the war. Mr. Grey asked as to what will happen if an ocean liner with american on board is sunk by German amry.. and House replied.. that will definitely take us into war.. and bingo lusithania (May 1915) (1260 death)
b. WW2: Pearl Harbour. The attack was infact known of weeks in advance.. but most importantly check the statement of Henry Stimson (Sec of War) who outright said that "how do we maneouver them into firing the first shot...it was desirable to make sure the japanese be the ones to do this so that there should remain no doubt as to who were the aggressors..." Nov 25, 1941and most of all 3 days before the attack, australian inteligence told roosevelt about the japanese task force coming to pearl harbour...roosevelt ignored it and THIS resulted in pearl harbour or plainly put 2400 american's death!
c. Vietnam : The war started because of the incident at Gulf of Tonken involving 3 PT Boats. This was the reason for all the deployment of the US troops to attack Vietnam. But later on Secretary of Defence Meckin meyer stated that the incident of gulf of t... was infact a "mistake". i.e it never happened .. or atleast not the way those americans who lost everything in this suicidal mission were told! It is also interesting to see that the Vietnam's Rules of Engagement later released in 1985 showed that they were designed for the war to linger on rather than to complete the mission. (58,000 American and 3 Million!! Vietnamese deaths!!! over a lie!)

So now we just wonder what war was the 911 a pretext to? Afghan War, Iraq War.. etc etc..

But where is this understanding of conjuring a pretext coming from?

Hitler burnt down his own parliament in 1945 and blamed it on "Communists Terrorrists!" BTW this is what resulted in Gestapo..

Anyhow some more examples in history you can read on are

1. 1933 :Himler Storms to Por
2. 1953: Operation Ajax : CIA Coup in IRAN!?!
3. 1967: USS Liberty Attack
4. 1946-1983 : Operation Gladio

These were all False Flag operations.. But I guess enough history lessons :)

My knowledge of Islam is, in fact, from reading - the Koran, the Hadeeth, the Sira, Reliance of the Traveller and much more - if you want to call those twisted and biased, please feel free. In fact - I even agree with you.

As already shown the Quran and Hadith needs a full understanding of arabic. The Seerah of Rasulullah sallallahu Alayhi Wassalam in english are not that appropriately written as they only focus on particular aspects of his life. Perhaps you should read Shamail wa Khasail, Akhlaaq un Nabawiyya etc .. but even for that you will have to read arabic to get the accurate measure. and Finally Reliance of a Traveler is a Fiqh book.. It is a manual of Shaffii Fiqh by Ibn Naqib Al misri. It outlines rules pertaining to the Shaffi Madhab. It does not give any explanations to those rules, reasoning or anything.. Pehaps you can read Al Muzni, or Al Umm, Fathul Mu'eeen or Sharhul Minhaaj. which are all expounds in the shafii fiqh.

We have complete eqality and freedom of speech here, could you guarantee that under a caliphate? Even the Prophet PBUH had those who spoke against him killed.

yes. it is guaranteed. But NOT the freedom of rights as stipulated by our modern day age, rather the rights stipulated by the divine shariah law. There are many incidents where someone question the khalifa and khalifa accepted his mistake. Unlike clinton, who even after being exposed debated in course as to what the meaning of "IS" is, in order get him off the hook from impeachment :) Or Florida elections where Al Gore actually won and celebrated before they were mysteriously told for a recount and given in favour of Bush Jr. Or the poor Brazillian student who happened to have a back pack on in london and was shot 15+ times under the impression that he is a terrorist! Or you talk of the privacy in canada that a mosque bugged by the govt to monitor who talks what.. Oh I know the right to privacy in america about how they can tap your cellphones, rather virtually anything without your knowledge..

And the right to freedom where you can be held under National Security pretence for as long as possible without any case or hearing..You can be tortured under the pretense that you might have a terrorist link :) I dig all these rights!! where one has to stand aside on the airports because of his nationality or color...

But I see you are in Canada - how convenient for you - you can live in a democracy which will defend your personal security , right to free speech, human rights and all the other good things that come with democracy. Good luck with your citizenship, having been to Canada many times I understand your choice.

But you dont see, I am not in Canada :) We can also move from places to places having different experiences you know.. BTW my recent knowledge tells me Canada is not so good a place to be.. since the rumours of Amero are out. It might actually turn out to be the 53rd state of US.

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