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Submitted by Shepard Barbash (United States), Jun 30, 2006 at 14:17

Many of us fear that the Palestinians' hatred of us is so pervasive and runs so deep that the only way to 'inflict a sense of defeat' on that stubborn, wrecked population would be to kill many many more of them than the 'international community' (and we ourselves) could possibly stomach--UNLESS they inflict an unprecedented slaughter (eg. destroy Tel Aviv) on us, by which time it would be too late.

How do we get around this dilemma?



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Daniel Pipes replies:

A sense of defeat, of not being able to continue to pursue one's war goals, can result from much less than mass slaughter. It requires great intelligence, in both senses of the word, not brutality.

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