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Our dear "really" aka CLdwards and this time no "brackets"! Part 4 and al-Samad

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Submitted by dhimmi no more, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:59

Our dear "really" aka CLdwards wrote this gem:

>I am trying to figure how the author of this post doesn't understand that words in brackets are translators notes.

If we check the translation of Sahih International of Surat al-Ikhlas (and by the way it is not Surah al-Ikhlas as they claim) verse 2, here is the translation:

Allah the eternal refuge!

Absolute nonsense because if we read al-Tabari the earliest Quarnic exegesis of الله الصمد he wrote:

وَاخْتَلَفَ أَهْل التَّأْوِيل فِي مَعْنَى الصَّمَد

Or And al-Mufasereen or Ahl al-Ta'weel did not agree about the meaning of the word al-Samad

In other words no one had a clue what the word al-Samad means and now Sahih International translators know what al-Samad means! Mash'allah

Then al-Tabari provides 6 different meanings for the word al-Samad and here is from an old post of mine:

1. Some say that it means he who is not hollow

2. Some others tell us that it means the one from whom nothing comes out

3. And others say it means he who was not begotten and did not beget

4. And others say that he is the Lord whose lordship reached the peak

5. And others say that he is the one that is the enduring one who does not disappear

6. Others say it means the Lord above whom there is nobody

This means that al-Tabari had no clue what the word al-Samad really means

Then he says:

فَاَلَّذِي هُوَ أَوْلَى بِتَأْوِيلِ الْكَلِمَة , الْمَعْنَى الْمَعْرُوف مِنْ كَلَام مَنْ نَزَلَ الْقُرْآن بِلِسَانِهِ ; وَلَوْ كَانَ حَدِي اِبْن بُرَيْدَة , عَنْ أَبِيهِ صَحِيحًا , كَانَ أَوْلَى الْأَقْوَال بِالصِّحَّةِ , لِأَنَّ رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَعْلَم بِمَا عَنَى اللَّه جَلَّ ثَنَاؤُهُ , وَبِمَا أَنْزَلَ عَلَيْهِ

So all of a sudden he selects one reading by a certain Ibn Burayda (he reads it as number one in the above) and case closed

So should we believe al-Tabari or should we believe the translation of Sahih International?

Explain this one to us our dear "really" aka CLdwards al-tablighee!

Oh here is a link to Q112:2 from Sahih Translation

https://quran.com/112/2

Submitting....

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