2 readers online now  |  69 million page views

The "bulwark" of Turkey

Reader comment on item: Saving NATO from Turkey
in response to reader comment: Dear Dr. Pipes

Submitted by Michael S (United States), Oct 30, 2017 at 18:50

Hi, Debanjan

Let me also try to tackle your questions:

1. "Do you really think that NATO countries (most of whom are demographically dying) can secure themselves without the bulwark of Turkey ?"

Describing Turkey as a "bulwark", implies that on one side of it, are people we are trying to protect; and on the other side are those people's enemies.

Living in India, I imagine you see Turkey as part of the mountainous "spine" of Asia, stretching from the Himalayas, across the Iranian Plateau and on through Turkey into Greece and Yugoslavia. Essentially, Turkey is a "bulwark" between Russia and the Arabs. Europe itself is also part of this "bulwark".

Do we want to protect the Russians from the Arabs? or the Arabs from the Russians? That isn't how NATO was set up. In fact, it was made to wall in Russia and contain it from attacking the US. When the Arabs seemed to be mostly working in America's interests, in the late 1940s and early 1950s, this sort of made sense; but when Egypt's President Nasser allied himself with the Russians after 1956, America's President Eisenhower stood with Nasser and the Russians against Israel, Britain and France, the whole "bulwark" idea went out the window.

Here is how I view NATO: Its members represent those countries which want to be protected from the Russians strategically by the US nuclear umbrella. In Asia-Ociania, their counterparts are Australia-New Zealand, Japan and, somewhat, South Korea -- except that there, the nuclear power they want protection from is China.

2. "Think what would happen to the security to the region, if Turkey joins hands with Russia, China and Iran to kick the US out of the region ?"

Turkey has already joined hands with Russia and Iran; and among them, they have effectively encircled the US advisors in Syria and Iraq. What you warn against is already a fact of life. President Trump's only face-saving hope, as far as I can see, is if he can make a strong showing in Korea. If the Chinese and Russians manage to stymie him there, nothing he can do in the Middle East can pull him (and the US) out of hot water. That will leave Israel standing alone, to face the Turko-Persian onslaught, a task I believe they are up to.

3. "Do you think kicking out Turkey out of NATO would result in the US being kicked out of the entire West Asian and North African region?"

I agree with Dr. Pipes' answer, word-for-word.


Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

Submitting....

Submit a comment on this item

Reader comments (19) on this item

Title Commenter Date Thread
EU the third actor against NATO's trident [281 words]mythNov 13, 2017 06:32241285
We Don't Need No Stinkin' NATO [250 words]DaveNov 12, 2017 12:18241283
Replace Turkey with Russia in NATO after Putin's Term Ends [153 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
RobertOct 25, 2017 22:03241157
This IS The Generation - Possibilities of Long Term Negotiations Now Very Remote. [181 words]M ToveyNov 21, 2017 17:15241157
1Remember Korean War [75 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Ahmet UnalOct 20, 2017 01:52241111
Dear Dr. Pipes [80 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Debanjan BanerjeeOct 19, 2017 01:56241102
Dear Dr. Pipes [211 words]Debanjan BanerjeeOct 22, 2017 04:03241102
Debanjan Banerjee is playing naive [37 words]PrashantOct 22, 2017 23:05241102
Dear Prashant [99 words]Debanjan BanerjeeOct 28, 2017 23:25241102
The "bulwark" of Turkey [421 words]Michael SOct 30, 2017 18:50241102
NATO Is As Weak and Confused As Its Members [128 words]DaveOct 18, 2017 20:08241101
Let Juncker lead Europe straight to hell; and let Erdogan do the same with Turkey [366 words]Michael SOct 21, 2017 08:03241101
Exclude Turkish participation from weapons development [82 words]Jorgen NielsenOct 17, 2017 21:25241089
Israel is surrounded by Russian (and American) systems. Only Samson Option can protect them [72 words]Michael SOct 30, 2017 19:03241089
1Time for NATO to Help End the Turkish Occupations! [240 words]UNCLE VLADDIOct 17, 2017 18:55241087
The situation could tget very volatile, very fast. [172 words]Michael S.Oct 17, 2017 07:49241085
There is a strategy for NATO to defeat islamism [158 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
piet-heinOct 17, 2017 07:31241083
Nothing new: remember Portugal and Greece. [34 words]BorisGOct 22, 2017 04:53241083
Turkey different from Greece and Spain [182 words]mythNov 13, 2017 06:57241083

Comment on this item

Mark my comment as a response to The "bulwark" of Turkey by Michael S

Email me if someone replies to my comment

Note: Opinions expressed in comments are those of the authors alone and not necessarily those of Daniel Pipes. Original writing only, please. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. For complete regulations, see the "Guidelines for Reader Comments".

See recent outstanding comments.

Follow Daniel Pipes

Facebook   Twitter   RSS   Join Mailing List

ADVERTISEMENTS

eXTReMe Tracker

All materials by Daniel Pipes on this site: © 1968-2017 Daniel Pipes. daniel.pipes@gmail.com and @DanielPipes

Support Daniel Pipes' work with a tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum. Daniel J. Pipes