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Let Juncker lead Europe straight to hell; and let Erdogan do the same with Turkey

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Submitted by Michael S (United States), Oct 21, 2017 at 08:03

Hi, Dave

"We need to look elsewhere for solid partners: the Visegrad countries (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia), Greece, Cyprus, India and Israel for starters. Western Europe is too decadent."

What are we looking for "solid partners" for? Since Trump took office, we have essentially been fighting against only one foe, ISIS. Our "partners" in this fight were the Kurds, whom we have pretty much abandoned, now that ISIS is defeated, Russia, Syria, Hizbullah, Iraq and Iran. Turkey has belatedly come on board as well, now that the Kurds have replaced ISIS as "the enemy". NATO has been playing a vanishingly small role in this endeavor, as has Israel.

Yes, you read me right: We are allied with Iran, against the Kurds and against Israel. Trump can make as many speeches as he wants; and Congress can call anyone they want "terrorists"; but the reality on the ground, is that we are allied with Turkey, Russia and Iran.

That being the case, what is the value of NATO? of the NORTH ATLANTIC Treaty Organization? Just look at that moniker: It is from the days when the "great divide" in Europe ran down the middle of Germany and Austria, down to Yugoslavia. The great divide of Europe today is between the UK and the EU; and leaders like Juncker are doing their damndest to make that divide as deep as possible.

Europe is a mess; and Donald Trump can't be expected to single-handedly fix it; especially when he is beset on every side with violent enemies, right here in the US. Let the Europeans, Russians and Turks take care of what is left of ISIS. We have a much more pressing problem on our hands, if we can ever get past sex scandals and phony "Russian collusion" probes at home, dealing with a dangerous, psychopathic Kim Jong Un. Let's go after Kim, and let NATO go to hell -- all except the Brits and Canadians, who ARE natural US allies -- them, the ANZACs and the Japanese.

Oh, and Israel will be calling for help soon enough, when the Turks and Iranians attack them. Even without our help, I expect the Israelis to make mincemeat of them.


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EU the third actor against NATO's trident [281 words]mythNov 13, 2017 06:32241285
We Don't Need No Stinkin' NATO [250 words]DaveNov 12, 2017 12:18241283
Replace Turkey with Russia in NATO after Putin's Term Ends [153 words]
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RobertOct 25, 2017 22:03241157
This IS The Generation - Possibilities of Long Term Negotiations Now Very Remote. [181 words]M ToveyNov 21, 2017 17:15241157
1Remember Korean War [75 words]
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Ahmet UnalOct 20, 2017 01:52241111
Dear Dr. Pipes [80 words]
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Debanjan BanerjeeOct 19, 2017 01:56241102
Dear Dr. Pipes [211 words]Debanjan BanerjeeOct 22, 2017 04:03241102
Debanjan Banerjee is playing naive [37 words]PrashantOct 22, 2017 23:05241102
Dear Prashant [99 words]Debanjan BanerjeeOct 28, 2017 23:25241102
The "bulwark" of Turkey [421 words]Michael SOct 30, 2017 18:50241102
NATO Is As Weak and Confused As Its Members [128 words]DaveOct 18, 2017 20:08241101
Let Juncker lead Europe straight to hell; and let Erdogan do the same with Turkey [366 words]Michael SOct 21, 2017 08:03241101
Exclude Turkish participation from weapons development [82 words]Jorgen NielsenOct 17, 2017 21:25241089
Israel is surrounded by Russian (and American) systems. Only Samson Option can protect them [72 words]Michael SOct 30, 2017 19:03241089
1Time for NATO to Help End the Turkish Occupations! [240 words]UNCLE VLADDIOct 17, 2017 18:55241087
The situation could tget very volatile, very fast. [172 words]Michael S.Oct 17, 2017 07:49241085
There is a strategy for NATO to defeat islamism [158 words]
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piet-heinOct 17, 2017 07:31241083
Nothing new: remember Portugal and Greece. [34 words]BorisGOct 22, 2017 04:53241083
Turkey different from Greece and Spain [182 words]mythNov 13, 2017 06:57241083

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