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There are no ghettoes in the future of the Jews

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Submitted by Michael S (United States), Aug 15, 2016 at 18:12

Hi, Malcolm

Your observations are generally correct. One must take a narrow definition of "violent", however, to accept them completey. Also, the "ghetto" of the future is the state of Israel. I don't believe the nations of the world will tolerate a non-conforming, separate Jewish community in their midst.

You might look at the Mormons as an example of how such communities are accepted in America: They were able to survive in significant numbers, only by emigrating to Utah; and this involved only the Brigham Young sect. The James J. Strang sect, which moved to Beaver Island, MI, was essentially wiped out by an uprising of the local Irish fishermen. Although Utah was the first American settlement in the West, it was one of the last to be granted statehood; and a precondition to that statehood was their abandonent of the doctrine of polygamy. Mormons today can be found all over the world; but they are blended into the majority population. Like Modern Orthodox Jews, about their only distinguishing clothing is their underwear.

Unlike the Jews, the Mormons already accept the New Testament as divinely inspired scripture. Even so, Mitt Romney probably lost the last election because many Fundamentalist Christians refused to vote for him. Another lesson from the Mormons, is that they were violently opposed, Only 170 years ago, their leader was murdered and they were driven out of their homes not by Arabs or Germans, but by American Christians. Will the Jews also accept the New Testament, in order to be accepted by the goiim? I don't think so -- because once they do that, they will no longer be accepted by their fellow Jews.

At present, the greatest threat to Jews in the West is assimilation; but this can turn on a dime. Many Spanish-Portugese "Conversos" settled in the Netherlands during the Spanish Inquisition; and many of these maintained the secrecy of their identity for hundreds of years. Finally, in the presumably "tolerant" Twentienth Century, some started coming out in the open, just in time to be sent to concentration camps and executed by the invading Germans.

God did not separate the Jews from the nations, in order to make them a non-violent "ghetto" community. His purpose has always been to settle them in Israel, from the time of Abraham to the present -- to settle them in a land wherein they would continually have to fight for their survival as a nation. This is the future of the Jewish people.

Whether the Jews are Orthodox or Secular in Israel is irrelevant: As long as Jews refuse God's commandment to take the land He has set aside for them, they cannot truthfully consider themselves "observant"; but once they settle in the land, and fight for it, they no longer require tsitsit and kippot to remind themselves of their sanctification: their very existence in that land, and the sacrifice they must pay in order to stay there, will be a continual reminder.

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