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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Mar 21, 2012 at 16:37

Dear Alexandros , you write :

" Your words remind me of a story that my uncle used to say, my ancestors from my mother's side come from Smyrni and Aivali and then they moved to Limnos and later to the mainland, his grandfather taught him a small phrase to remember all his life "Never the Tuks will become your friend Never". "

Your phrase "they moved to..." is obviously an understatement , isn't it ? When a bloodthirsty Kemalist horde is sadistically exterminating every Geek it comes across, then the term "they moved to Limnos" hardly hints at the real horrors of the Greek genocide in Asia Minor of 1919-1923. I am afraid that it conveys a misleadingly peaceful meaning.

> This of course means that you can not trust the Turks and i do not trust them believe me.<

Your uncle's wise phrase also implies that ,alas, you cannot trust those who befriend the Turk which for me means e.g. that as long as Israel doesn't officially recognize the Armenian genocide it is not to be fully relied on as a friend. It can as quickly come to terms with the Turk as it got to loggerheads with him. With the recognition of the genocide the gate to political opportunism will be closed.

> I am not asking for forgiveness for what we have done, i am recognising it was wrong and Turkish apologising for what they have done to us is not also enough, i am just saying what it should be done.<

And you don't worry about unintended effects of your action, do you? Once I had a conversation with a Turk. I noticed that when the Greek troops landed in Smyrna in May 1919 there were riots in the city and several Turks were killed. The Greeks conducted a thorough investigation as a result of which a number of Greeks was executed. Now within 3 next years some 1000 000 Greeks were sadistically murdered and maimed by the Kemalist hordes. "How many Turks were brought to justice for that in Turkey" I asked. "What?? You admit yourself that Greeks killed Turks!!! It's all I wanted to know !" was the Turkish reply. In other words your contrition and confessions just reinforce what you intended to weaken and overcome.

> In any case the Turks have this attitude and keep having it, because they have a very strong diplomacy and gain the favour of the big powers and also because the policy of the surrounding states like Armenia or Greece are very moderate because they see that big countries support the Turkish policy. <

I disagree. First, the Turk has this attitude because he is a Moslem and Moslems never ever admit anything wrong about themselves and Islam even though ALL the crimes they have committed qua Moslems and as part of Islam's eternal jihad against us kafirs. Second, it is not Turkey's diplomacy that works so wonderfully, but a sinister combination of greed and corruption of the American power elite and Turkey's ruthless and secret campaign of buying, bribing, blackmailing and influencing behind the scenes America's key figures who will work in Turkey's interests . I do recommend Sibel Edmonds' excellent account on how this diabolical system, financed by Turkey with money laundering, narcotics, arm dealings and nuclear black market operations, works. She writes :

"Operating invisibly under the radar of media and public scrutiny, lobby groups and foreign agents have become the 'epicenter' of our government, where former statesmen and 'dime a dozen generals' cash in on their connections and peddle their enormous influence to the highest bidders turned clients. These groups' activities shape our nation's policies and determine the direction of the flow of its taxpayer driven wealth, while to them the interests of the majority are considered irrelevant, and the security of the nation is perceived as inconsequential[...]certain foreign interests, combined with their U.S. agents and benefactors, override the interests and security of the entire nation. This illustrative model case involved three major elements: the purchasing of a few 'dime a dozen generals,' bidding high in the auctioning of 'former statesmen,' and buying one or two ex-congressmen turned lobbyists. In addition, the piece emphasized the importance of the "Military Industrial Complex (MIC)," which became a de facto 'foreign agent' by the universally recognized principle of 'mutual benefit.'

Sibel Edmond knows what she is talking about.She worked in 2001-2002 for the FBI counterespionage unit translating intercepted Turkish, Farsi and Azeri messages and phone calls. Needless to say, the FBI unit was infiltrated by Turkish agents and she was also offered an extra job as a Turkish spy.The first thing she had to do was to join the notorious American Turkish Council.

Incidentally, our Dr. Pipes was also a board member of the said American Turkish Council of which the Council is visibly proud. I don't expect a public apology or explanation for it from Dr. Pipes himself , although I understand now a bit better his previous hagiographic articles on Turkey and Ghazi Mustafa Kemal Pasha aka Ataturk.

> Let us not forget that they gained the favour of Israel so to gain America's favour and now that they have won what they wanted they got rid of Israel.<

I can't recall a single case in Turkey's long and infamous history where the Turk remained faithful to his benefactor. I remember his friendship with usurper emperor John Cantacuzenus which ended with the Turkish invasion of Europe. What shall stun us more - the same thing happening again or the fact that so many have such a short historical memory ?

> If the policy of the big powers was different then the Turks would have to become moderate as well<

Since the time when Britain, France and Sardinia so bravely fought for the sick man on the Bosphorus the number of Big Powers has been reduced to one. And I know no better comment on yesterday's and today's policy of this Big Power towards the sick man and his victims than a quote from a book written about 100 years ago by an American author :

"It is just at this point that the Turk is hard to understand. He is kind and gentle and of winning personality yet he is capable of the utmost cruelty. When his religious fanaticism is aroused or when he is putting down a rebellion, he slays in cold blood women, and children at the breast; he burns down homes and shoots the inhabitants as they come forth; he violates women before their own husbands and carries the best into captivity. A town which he ravages leaves little resemblance to a human dwelling- place. There are Bulgarians and Armenians living today who have gone through scenes of untold horror. Naturally they do not love the Turks. Yet the English and Americans who live among the Turks do like them and come to feel a real affection for them. You may meet a Pasha who will captivate you today by his kindness and winning personality; and the next day he may have a prisoner tortured to death with perfect unfeeling". Stanwood Cobb, The Real Turk , Boston-New York-Chicago 1914,p.24

Not much has changed in the ways of the Turk or of his Anglo-Saxon godfather, has it ?

> the problem is that i do not see any kind of change, because there is no vision in American policy.<

It depends on what you call "vision". The policy of promoting chaos, social disintegration, political decay and economic serfdom our Big Power conducts so successfully does look like a perfect vision, doesn't it? When you are determined to remain the only Big Power cost what it may while you are in fact a broke, then the only way to preserve the status quo after all your financial pyramids have crumbled is to make the situation for your creditors and competitors even more desperate by exporting instability and chaos to their homes. You know that this will hit China much harder than yourself.

> Very recently Brzezinsky was asked about the Talibans, that they were a creation of the US against the Soviets, he replied what was a bigger evil the Soviets or the Talibans, meaning that Soviet Union should be destroyed and that Talibans is a less evil.<

This interview from 1998 for "Le nouvel Observateur" is worth quoting as it reveals also that it was our Big Power that purposefully provoked war and destabilization in Afghanistan and made jihad what it is today - the monster spearheading US policy of controlled chaos and instability.

"Brzezinski: ... According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries."

Nowadays Brzezinski , true to his old global "vision", proposes an alliance with the Taliban (13.21- 13.40 in the video) and other radical Islamic groups to do the dirty job on America's behalf with their hands. In Libya al-Qaeda and the Moslem Brotherhood seem to have done on the ground precisely what was expected from them by the Big Power that protected them from the air and that now has sent 12 000 troops to secure Libya's oil fields and facilities .

> Well, i completely disagree, the Talibans and the new rising Muslim order is going to be the destruction of the US as a power we know it today, remember my words.<

Well, the choice the US has is to be eaten up peacefully within next few decades by China or maybe to be gobbled up by Islam on a much later date. They have chosen the latter because they think that , first, Islam will destabilize the world the US can't any longer control and so will weaken and destabilize China and thus do what the US can't do itself - get rid of bankrupt America's main creditor and growing global competitor. As Islam means obscurantism, primitivism and regress the US may well hope that at the end of the day it will be saved from its sharp teeth just like Little Red Riding Hood was - by a hunter for whose rifle the sharpest teeth of Islam are no match.

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