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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), Feb 26, 2012 at 18:12

Mozere wrote :

> We do not want their islands<

And that's why you tried to grab Imia in 1996, made baseless claims on Gavdos and violate on a daily basis Greek air space terrorizing Greek islanders and foreign holiday-makers in the Aegean. Do you know what name is applied for a person who uses words to intentionally mislead the listener as to the real state of affairs? A liar.

> all we want is our fair share of the EEZ<

Again, do you know how a person is called who wants to possess what can't legally belong to him? A thief. Thanks for telling us who you really are.

>and the Aegean to be a free sea<

The current six nautical mile territorial sea in the Aegean Sea provides Greece with control of 43.68 % of the Aegean waters and Turkey with 7.47 % , i.e. 48,85% of the Aegean Sea are technically "high seas". Article 2 of the 1958 Convention on the High Seas guarantees freedom of navigation in high seas.

But I understand your perfidy quite well. You don't want the Aegean to be a "free sea" which it effectively is but to be under Turkish control which it isn't and legally can never be. What else can Turkish thieves and liars which you unwittingly admitted you are intend and want ?

> whereby a Turkish ship sailing from Antalya to Istanbul can do so without the need of a Greek permission.<

Given that the standard Turkish cargoes include drugs and illegal immigrants I have full understanding for your postulate. 90% of heroin sold in British cities come from Turkey. With the Aegean as a Turkish sea I guess the Turkish heroin in Britain would amount to 100% and would correspondingly increase in other western states, wouldn't it ? Well, you can wage jiahd in a traditional Ottoman way, by occupying Christian territories, by committing Armenian or Greek genocides, by changing churches into mosques or stables. But you can wage it in a modern way too - by using narcotics as weapons to exterminate kafirs and get rich quick at that !

> How would the Black Sea nations feel if we say the straits are Turkish territorial waters therefore you cannot sail your merchant ships to the Med without our say so.<

The Straits are formally still under the regime of the Montreux Convention which once upon a time stipulated ( Article 2) "In time of peace, merchant vessels shall enjoy complete freedom of transit and navigation in the Straits, by day and by night, under any flag and with any kind of cargo, without any formalities, except as provided in Article 3 below."

Article 3 dealt with sanitary control while Article 1 assured : "The High Contracting Parties recognise and affirm the principle of freedom of transit and navigation by sea in the Straits. The exercise of this freedom shall henceforth be regulated by the provisions of the present Convention."

But the Black Sea nations have already learnt from painful experience that without saying it explicitly the Turks have effectively abolished a large portion of the Montreux Convention using various pretexts and excuses. They invented a new name, unknown to the Montreux Convention , "the Turkish straits" , of course, with a very definite end in mind. Although the convention did explicitly forbid that (Article 29) , in 1994 Turkey unilaterally introduced new navigation regulations in the Black Sea Straits which gave Turkey arbitrary power to stop or hinder navigation , e.g. when there is a sports event nearby, to search commercial ships and impose fines on them and even send them back and restrict their time to stay in Marmara Sea ports. They obliged every ship to have a Turkish pilot on board as well a guiding tug when they find it "necessary", although Article 2 says "Pilotage and towage remain optional". Ships longer than 200 m were forced to pass the Straits only in daylight .

As a result between July 1st , 1994 and December 31, 1996 there were 268 cases of arbitrarily stopping Russian ships which cost the latter 1553 lost work hours and financial loss of $ 885 000, not including lost contracts and various sanctions for being late.

In July 2000 , again without consultation, ships whose length exceeded 304 were forbidden to enter the Straits. In October 2002 new instructions on the application of the earlier Navigation Regulations were adopted. Now ships carrying "dangerous cargo" , i.e. tankers, must notify Turkish authorities 72 hours in advance of intention to pass the Straits. The problem is that it takes only 48 hours to cross the Black Sea from Novorossyisk to Constantinople and even less from Odessa to Constantinople. If you for whatever reason fail to notify the Turks on time, then you will have long delays, extra costs, paper work etc. etc.

The Turks complain that the traffic in the Strait is too heavy. On the average 136 ships pass the Straits every day, including 27 tankers. And they say they are to blame for the traffic problem. In fact the problem is created by small passenger boats , fishing boats and ferries that cross the Bosphorus in a disorderly and hasty manner. Most recent accidents in the Straits involved these boats. Yet , instead of regulating their own traffic and improving their outdated control system the Turks blame international transit navigation. It provides a decorous pretext to further erode the Montreux Convention and to surreptitiously monopolize the Straits. And if Imam Erdogan's dreams of "the Istanbul Canal" comes true, then the Straits may really become internal waters of Turkey and the Montreux convention become as dead as Kemal's secularism in his 99,8% Islamized Turkey.

>Greece is our neighbour, we need to have good relations.<

So let's smuggle more illegal immigrants and drugs to her. Let's continue to persecute the Ecumenical patriarch and the few remaining Greeks in Constantinople! Let's occupy Imia ! Let's make life in the Aegean islands miserable through Turkish air piracy ! Let's burn Greek forests ! And let's call all of that "good relations" with Greece and when she complains and rejects such "good relations" , let's blame her for everything !

> They can get out of their financial troubles by exporting to Turkey, a 75 million market at their doorstep.<

Do you you mean "market" or "black market"? Turkey is a mafia state so I doubt there is much to be gained in from Turkish frauds, lies, duplicity and dissimulation except enormous material losses and deep disappointments.

> Unlike the Chinese we are inveterate consumers, if they have things to sell we will buy it.<

What will you buy - sex slaves for Turkish brothels, arms and substances to make drugs for export ?

> Our trade deficit is 77 billion dollars and we still go on buying foreign stuff,g et a share of this Greek neighbours.<

Whoever does business with criminals will sooner or later be a loser or a criminal himself. Whom in your history you Turks haven't abused, deceived and humiliated ? As I have tried to show to you , you Turks have a very short and faulty memory and a pathologically distorted superego. Common sense shows that who has got such a consistent criminal record as Turkey will always be a recidivist.

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Title Commenter Date Thread
8Kastelorizo is just a sign [583 words]AlexandrosFeb 27, 2012 11:47193708
3Florida of Europe [292 words]MozereFeb 28, 2012 10:26193708
6other benchmarks [45 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanFeb 28, 2012 20:27193708
3Not exactly [724 words]AlexandrosFeb 29, 2012 06:19193708
13"Wounds which a mentally sterile Asiatic horde inflicted on Christian civilization still bleed after 500 years " [2725 words]IanusFeb 29, 2012 16:47193708
3A question or two [417 words]IanusFeb 29, 2012 17:47193708
3Answers to Ianus, hope to hear more opinions and from others [1445 words]AlexandrosMar 1, 2012 11:41193708
2regional cooperation [322 words]MozereMar 1, 2012 12:22193708
9Additional reply to Mozere comments [1856 words]AlexandrosMar 2, 2012 08:05193708
6Wrong side repenting and apologizing [902 words]IanusMar 11, 2012 12:07193708
1Islamic civilisation [635 words]MozereMar 13, 2012 11:57193708
3The so salled "Islamic civilisation" [59 words]Young MCMar 13, 2012 18:39193708
7"Islamic civilization" = the Skull Tower of Nis and the Skull Cathedral of Otranto [864 words]IanusMar 13, 2012 19:26193708
1Answers to both Ianus and Mozere. [444 words]AlexandrosMar 15, 2012 10:51193708
3Sackcloth and ashes while the hungry wolves are howling around [749 words]IanusMar 16, 2012 18:38193708
1Ianus [350 words]AlexandrosMar 18, 2012 07:28193708
2A prominent former board member of the American Turkish Council [2050 words]IanusMar 21, 2012 16:37193708
"Moved" was describing the action [14 words]AlexandrosMar 23, 2012 18:43193708
7Those who didn't manage to "move" [538 words]IanusMar 24, 2012 11:15193708
2Not what i meant [298 words]AlexandrosMar 25, 2012 05:13193708
4The Turkish massacres of Phocea 12.06.1914 [763 words]IanusMar 28, 2012 17:16193708
1I would suggest another book [70 words]AlexandrosMar 29, 2012 03:46193708
Thanks [99 words]IanusApr 1, 2012 16:30193708
2Not so easy! [209 words]Pantelis GiannopoulosJun 25, 2012 14:00193708
6EU Turkish Arranged Marriage Plans [263 words]RebeccaFeb 25, 2012 23:24193650
Give them blank cheques [69 words]MozereFeb 27, 2012 00:39193650
4Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo - a strategic bridgehead for the Second Ottoman Invasion of Europe ? [564 words]IanusFeb 27, 2012 18:23193650
3a shame [69 words]mythFeb 23, 2012 16:35193593
steady on [203 words]MozereFeb 25, 2012 05:24193593
4Washington and the Turkish octopus there [1584 words]IanusFeb 25, 2012 11:09193593
10Recidivist Turkey [1225 words]IanusFeb 26, 2012 18:12193593
Who is a cheat? [344 words]MozereFeb 27, 2012 02:31193593
15The slave hunters' state of the Crimean Tatars and a second disciple of Ataturk [1422 words]IanusMar 1, 2012 15:09193593
1Slavery [279 words]MozereMar 2, 2012 07:37193593
5Adampol (aka Polonezkoy) an moribund ethnographic zoo in Turkey and Nazim Hikmet vs. Ataturk's police state [1142 words]IanusMar 3, 2012 08:10193593
16Tripolitsa or from Lord Byron to Mozere the Turk [2270 words]IanusMar 4, 2012 17:30193593
4Islamic slavery then and now [1588 words]IanusMar 16, 2012 14:54193593
1Kastelorizo an Italian name [31 words]MozereFeb 20, 2012 08:44193512
1Criminal Minded State Propaganda [17 words]Young MCFeb 21, 2012 14:17193512
1Continental shelf [199 words]MozereFeb 22, 2012 06:12193512
23An outpost against Turkish jihad [1265 words]IanusFeb 22, 2012 11:16193512
5Bellicosity and Misleading Propaganda [275 words]Young MCFeb 23, 2012 09:36193512
7Islands have a full right to continental shelf [1199 words]IanusFeb 24, 2012 08:18193512
1Islands do not have an automatic right to EEZ [278 words]MozereFeb 26, 2012 04:08193512
3Continental Shelf and Mozere's "Vikings" [430 words]Young MCFeb 27, 2012 12:15193512
6Tyrkjaránið - An Ottoman slave-hunting raid in Iceland 1627 [1574 words]IanusFeb 27, 2012 16:48193512
4more details [62 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanFeb 27, 2012 21:57193512
p.s. [18 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanFeb 27, 2012 22:25193512
Law applies to everybody equally [143 words]MozereFeb 28, 2012 06:49193512
1Islands and constructed EEZ claims [461 words]Young MCFeb 28, 2012 11:51193512
7Turkey has implicitly admited to be a thug. [805 words]IanusFeb 29, 2012 13:56193512
6The biggest mosque in Kosovo to be built by the (Islamic) Republic of Turkey [167 words]IanusFeb 29, 2012 17:13193512
1Turkey can't pick and choose the territory it claims as and when it discovers oil and gas [377 words]Francis WilsonDec 25, 2012 08:14193512
10Imia [1045 words]IanusFeb 17, 2012 15:28193427
1game of interests [98 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
athinagorasFeb 17, 2012 09:06193421
8Another Crusade? = ... damn the locals [378 words]Kali SimpsonFeb 10, 2012 09:40193269
6Turkification through extermination [580 words]IanusFeb 17, 2012 10:43193269
1Dear Ianus - you say tomato, I say potato. [416 words]KaliFeb 17, 2012 21:50193269
11Clarification on EEZ map [220 words]HamiltonAFeb 9, 2012 19:55193256
4eerily similar to the 1970s and 1980s [192 words]JohnFeb 9, 2012 04:56193244
15Just a remark! [67 words]Jim Pap.Feb 8, 2012 08:09193200
re transport info [36 words]annmarieJul 31, 2013 20:45193200
1Kastelorizo - Mediterranean Flashpoint [119 words]JudithFeb 7, 2012 21:40193186
1reason for war [116 words]havasFeb 12, 2012 08:31193186
2"Not too different..." - In Your Dreams! [51 words]Young MCFeb 12, 2012 19:08193186
2The Reasons Are Plenty - Which One is the Most Tempting [206 words]M. ToveyFeb 13, 2012 13:44193186
26Israel, Cyprus and Greece are natural friends and allies [179 words]Andrew M.Feb 7, 2012 19:36193175
1Greece [95 words]Lujack SkylarkFeb 8, 2012 19:30193175
Remember the Name Kastelorizo; You Heard It Here First- Kudos Dr. Pipes [43 words]M. ToveyFeb 7, 2012 18:18193172
3Diaspora [79 words]NickLlewellynJul 26, 2012 11:29193172

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