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Submitted by the Grand Infidel of Kaffiristan (Australia), Dec 22, 2011 at 19:45

Mr Amin Riaz writes:

"Social Media - is NOT cornerstone to a free society. "

Do you agree it is a powerful method of rapidly informing and potentially mobilising large groups of people? And that therefore is a threat to repressive governments - who now have systems in place to turn off mobile phone coverage where they deem it necessary. Having pervasive and unfettered access to social media is a hallmark of a free society but does not define it.

"...Worst crime of repressive govt is killing you for saying what you want to say..."

OK - that's a fair statement. What would you say about one particular form of theocratic government which can do just that for daring to completely drop or change belief systems? Or for criticising the founder of that belief system? Is that also a crime of a repressive government - despite that punishment being recommended in the belief system's little green manual?

" Social Media is a luxury..... compared to a basic get together ... ability to choose your leaders ... free expression and etc."

It's all quite relative isn't it - a black and white TV would have been a luxury in the 1940's . A car was a luxury in 1910. .Humanity no longer lives in caves - we take for granted the technological innovations built up by the generations who have gone before us and accept them as normal often without realising the sweat and imagination and insight it took to make those leaps. . People use new technologies to improve the quality of their lives and societies adapt them for their own uses. In regard to communications technologies in free(r) societies they are used more for communication than control.

'Basic get-togethers' , the ability to choose leaders and free expression are possible in societies where these principles are encoded in law and understood in the minds of ethical people. It was possible to have these in Ancient Greece. It is theoretically possible to have them anywhere - but certain conditions need to be met. One big one being having a system that enshrines the freedom of an individual to do , say, believe and act as he/she likes into law.

So getting back more on topic - for the most part Islamic countries are repressive because they do not allow the individual complete freedom of belief (or lack of belief). They are repressive because they are Islamic. Islam is used to control.


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3Mr. Enein's book [369 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 1, 2012 09:34192955
1What of Obama engaging with the Muslim Brotherhood? [20 words]saraJan 13, 2012 17:26192566
1What now? [51 words]streejerJan 13, 2012 17:24192565
4More atrocities by SCAF [143 words]
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dhimmi no moreDec 18, 2011 10:49191818
7More atrocities by SCAF [162 words]dhimmi no moreDec 19, 2011 07:32191818
3More disasters from the salafists in Egypt [66 words]dhimmi no moreDec 15, 2011 07:02191711
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8No aid is the answer [98 words]Sally WiltonDec 9, 2011 08:57191542
3What governments cannot do, people can [83 words]PrashantDec 11, 2011 22:31191542
Sanctions against whom? [87 words]moDec 25, 2011 05:27191542
... Islam [105 words]Amin RiazDec 9, 2011 08:19191539
There might be a reason for that [17 words]JeffDec 11, 2011 19:50191539
2On what basis? [28 words]KayTDec 12, 2011 06:14191539
Israel is NOT secular. [9 words]Amin RiazDec 13, 2011 02:04191539
Confused Assertions [45 words]Amin RiazDec 13, 2011 02:34191539
4About as secular as the UK [108 words]JeffDec 13, 2011 20:25191539
Basic differences. [112 words]Amin RiazDec 14, 2011 14:55191539
2If wikipedia says it then it must be true [124 words]JeffDec 14, 2011 22:42191539
Little bit of History [118 words]Amin RiazDec 16, 2011 01:59191539
1You must be right [70 words]JeffDec 16, 2011 20:58191539
USA is a tyrannical state. [74 words]Amin RiazDec 18, 2011 09:22191539
3An interesting conclusion [65 words]JeffDec 18, 2011 17:57191539
Good nice to hear it. [5 words]Amin RiazDec 19, 2011 04:41191539
7Sure US is a tyrannical state [71 words]PrashantDec 19, 2011 13:41191539
To Be Secular-Or Not To Be Secular-That is the Question [333 words]M. ToveyDec 19, 2011 17:28191539
Addled brains... [47 words]Amin RiazDec 19, 2011 21:03191539
7Hardly a standard of freedom? [247 words]Peter HallDec 21, 2011 19:05191539
Are you ok Peter? [423 words]Amin RiazDec 21, 2011 20:25191539
4Again you do not read nor understand [182 words]Peter HallDec 22, 2011 18:39191539
4explanations needed [411 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanDec 22, 2011 19:45191539
... IF THIS ISN'T VICTORY! [231 words]Amin RiazDec 22, 2011 19:53191539
Not Interested. [22 words]Amin RiazDec 25, 2011 19:57191539
4Your poor English again [193 words]Peter HallDec 26, 2011 04:02191539
My superiority! [128 words]Amin RiazDec 26, 2011 22:47191539
1Now Thats funny [358 words]Peter HallDec 27, 2011 19:44191539
Why I am superior? [294 words]Amin RiazDec 27, 2011 20:46191539
5Heads We Win Tails You Lose [125 words]DaveDec 8, 2011 11:25191520
2Islam, democracy [26 words]UgriDec 8, 2011 08:17191519
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2The people of Egypt voted against themselves. [75 words]NuritGDec 6, 2011 23:07191501
1Is there a "West" to react? [66 words]Richard H. ShulmanDec 6, 2011 20:29191497
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3Flawed Analysis [180 words]KarimDec 7, 2011 00:07191491
6Egypt and more of the same [777 words]dhimmi no moreDec 10, 2011 07:57191491
You have some valid points [15 words]KarimDec 11, 2011 22:19191491
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1Keep the judge busy [55 words]dhimmi no moreDec 30, 2011 08:12191491
8A lot simpler Solution [11 words]Michael Hanni MorcosDec 6, 2011 13:38191490
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Israel as a democracy example [208 words]slayhyDec 17, 2011 15:13191488
9Slayhy, you really are a comedian ! [145 words]Peter HallDec 18, 2011 23:06191488
Remember: Before Israel was Declared a Democracy - It IS a Theocracy [277 words]M. ToveyDec 19, 2011 11:39191488

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