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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Dec 10, 2011 at 07:57

Karim wrote

>This is a very flawed analysis.

Well let us see

>The Muslim Brotherhood have been at the receiving end of the military dictatorship in Egypt for as long as that dictatorship was in power,

This is not true. el-zubbat el-ahrar of the 1952 revolution were all ikhwangiyya. However, I still have to see the evidence that Gamal Abd el-Nasser was a member of el-ikhwan.

Nasser wanted absolute power and for this to happen he had to crush what he believed to be his enemies and on the top of the list were el-ikhwan el-muslimeen and the likes of Sayyed Qutb

And anyone that watched the recent massacre of the Copts at Maspero and heard the shouting by the members of the military shouting at the Copts: Islamiyya Islamiyya and kuffar has to come to the conclusion that slogans are not created in a vacuum and that the Egyptian army and now SCAF is not more than an extension of el-ikhwan el-muslimeen

Now if we go back to 1975 and the attack on the Militray Academy by some members of el-ikhwan was an alarming incident to Anwar el-Sadat (who was also Ikhwangi himself) but he elected to pacify those criminals than to hold them responsible for what they did

So you see karim this is a balancing act: All the militrary had to do is to imprison them or even kill them if they seem to threaten the ability of the military to rule Egypt but the military was no more than an extension of el-ikhwan

>it is inconceivable that the Brotherhood will make a deal with the military

I agree with you and I do believe that Safwat Higazi biyefti or he is talking nonsense and he is what i call abd el-mohim and no more

>knowing the Brotherhoods deep penetration of the Egyptians psychic as savior and protector of the faith.

May be now but there is plenty of evidence that el-ikhwan el-muslimeen were seen back in the 1940's and 1950's as no more than a bunch of uneducated fools

I believe that Egyptians want action to their demands and to name just a few: housing, good eduaction, good and affordable health care, minimum wage laws etc...and it is very clear that the militrary has not been able to provide the people of Egypt with their basic needs so who is next in line? el-ikhwan el-muslimeen

Egypt has many serious and non of it can be solved by el-ikhwan and I'm very happy that they could form the next government unless the army plays its usual games and continues in power and a very interesting person to watch and he might be the dark horse is el-fariq Sami 3Inan

>The Brotherhoods day is now, and they know it, why would they give it up? Or share it with their oppressor for that matter?

Well I hate to disappoint you the Egyptian army is no more than an extension of the Muslim brotherhood and you already have the Muslim brotherhood in charge and its name is SCAF

>My secularist half cringe when it sees Islamists advance in any election, as I know it is a step backward,

I agree with you 100% and el-salafiyeen are most disgusting and most un-Egyptian as they would rather live in 7th century Arabia than in Egypt . el-ikhwan el-muslimeen? they are hypocrites and hate mongers and no more

>but my pragmatic half accepts that this is a must evil,

Well we can disagree here as i do not want to see Egypt as another Iran

>as we have to take this step back for us to move forward later on. It seems that my fellow Arabs

Egyptians are Arabs? really? since when?

>are hell bent on burning their fingers with Islamist government for them to know that it will not work in the long run.

I agree with you 100%

>Let us all hope that the learning will be short lived, and the fallout will not be as catastrophic as pundits think.

I hate to tell you but I happen to beleive that nothing will change and SCAF will be in charge and el-salafiyeen will end in jail and el-ikhwan will be marginalized again and the sad thing is those that ignited this revolution were the educated and secular middle class aka el-libraliyeen wa el-3ilmaniyeen and now the parasites those that have a phone line connection with Allah will be in charge and we will see the likes of the Zeus and the mermaids fas'iyya in Eskendria covered in burqa

You see Karim and to qupte the old saying: the more it changes the more it stays the same


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3Mr. Enein's book [369 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 1, 2012 09:34192955
1What of Obama engaging with the Muslim Brotherhood? [20 words]saraJan 13, 2012 17:26192566
1What now? [51 words]streejerJan 13, 2012 17:24192565
4More atrocities by SCAF [143 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
dhimmi no moreDec 18, 2011 10:49191818
7More atrocities by SCAF [162 words]dhimmi no moreDec 19, 2011 07:32191818
3More disasters from the salafists in Egypt [66 words]dhimmi no moreDec 15, 2011 07:02191711
On Fish or Foul [176 words]Jay1Dec 10, 2011 12:48191562
8No aid is the answer [98 words]Sally WiltonDec 9, 2011 08:57191542
3What governments cannot do, people can [83 words]PrashantDec 11, 2011 22:31191542
Sanctions against whom? [87 words]moDec 25, 2011 05:27191542
... Islam [105 words]Amin RiazDec 9, 2011 08:19191539
There might be a reason for that [17 words]JeffDec 11, 2011 19:50191539
2On what basis? [28 words]KayTDec 12, 2011 06:14191539
Israel is NOT secular. [9 words]Amin RiazDec 13, 2011 02:04191539
Confused Assertions [45 words]Amin RiazDec 13, 2011 02:34191539
4About as secular as the UK [108 words]JeffDec 13, 2011 20:25191539
Basic differences. [112 words]Amin RiazDec 14, 2011 14:55191539
2If wikipedia says it then it must be true [124 words]JeffDec 14, 2011 22:42191539
Little bit of History [118 words]Amin RiazDec 16, 2011 01:59191539
1You must be right [70 words]JeffDec 16, 2011 20:58191539
USA is a tyrannical state. [74 words]Amin RiazDec 18, 2011 09:22191539
3An interesting conclusion [65 words]JeffDec 18, 2011 17:57191539
Good nice to hear it. [5 words]Amin RiazDec 19, 2011 04:41191539
7Sure US is a tyrannical state [71 words]PrashantDec 19, 2011 13:41191539
To Be Secular-Or Not To Be Secular-That is the Question [333 words]M. ToveyDec 19, 2011 17:28191539
Addled brains... [47 words]Amin RiazDec 19, 2011 21:03191539
7Hardly a standard of freedom? [247 words]Peter HallDec 21, 2011 19:05191539
Are you ok Peter? [423 words]Amin RiazDec 21, 2011 20:25191539
4Again you do not read nor understand [182 words]Peter HallDec 22, 2011 18:39191539
4explanations needed [411 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanDec 22, 2011 19:45191539
... IF THIS ISN'T VICTORY! [231 words]Amin RiazDec 22, 2011 19:53191539
Not Interested. [22 words]Amin RiazDec 25, 2011 19:57191539
4Your poor English again [193 words]Peter HallDec 26, 2011 04:02191539
My superiority! [128 words]Amin RiazDec 26, 2011 22:47191539
1Now Thats funny [358 words]Peter HallDec 27, 2011 19:44191539
Why I am superior? [294 words]Amin RiazDec 27, 2011 20:46191539
5Heads We Win Tails You Lose [125 words]DaveDec 8, 2011 11:25191520
2Islam, democracy [26 words]UgriDec 8, 2011 08:17191519
5The higher the Islamist's victory margin the better [283 words]PrashantDec 8, 2011 00:38191511
2The people of Egypt voted against themselves. [75 words]NuritGDec 6, 2011 23:07191501
1Is there a "West" to react? [66 words]Richard H. ShulmanDec 6, 2011 20:29191497
Ah, yes. I feel so much better now. Reason says no more aid ... [118 words]kmanDec 6, 2011 19:55191496
I Wrote to my Senators: No Aid [52 words]DaveDec 6, 2011 16:12191493
4Egypt's Sham Election [60 words]Dan RusenDec 6, 2011 14:32191492
Egypt's Sham Elections [93 words]JonDec 11, 2011 20:44191492
3EGYPT'S ELECTIONS LEADING TO AN ISLAMIIC UPRISING [184 words]JACQUES HADIDADec 6, 2011 14:11191491
3Flawed Analysis [180 words]KarimDec 7, 2011 00:07191491
6Egypt and more of the same [777 words]dhimmi no moreDec 10, 2011 07:57191491
You have some valid points [15 words]KarimDec 11, 2011 22:19191491
4Egypt and more of the same [531 words]dhimmi no moreDec 13, 2011 09:40191491
1The Hazard of Misreading Egypt [415 words]M. ToveyDec 20, 2011 16:16191491
Egyptians are Arabs [44 words]DEBORAH THE JUDGEDec 28, 2011 21:51191491
1Keep the judge busy [55 words]dhimmi no moreDec 30, 2011 08:12191491
8A lot simpler Solution [11 words]Michael Hanni MorcosDec 6, 2011 13:38191490
Egypt May Not Dominate the M.E. - But It Can Make Things Harder [266 words]M. ToveyDec 6, 2011 12:15191488
Israel as a democracy example [208 words]slayhyDec 17, 2011 15:13191488
9Slayhy, you really are a comedian ! [145 words]Peter HallDec 18, 2011 23:06191488
Remember: Before Israel was Declared a Democracy - It IS a Theocracy [277 words]M. ToveyDec 19, 2011 11:39191488

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