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Muslims are Subject to All Natural Human Traits - All Imperfect - All Needing Salvation

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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), May 16, 2011 at 13:56

Irrespective of a particular religion's basis of its belief system, the main issue is in the inability to deal with the innate nature of humanity, that of the imperfect status of every human born of a natural father and mother. In the Christian perspective, it is sin. It came from the beginning of humanity. All religions are subject to it; all natural born humans are subject to it. Humanity in this imperfect temporary realm is also subject to the realm of the natural tendencies found in nature, the only distinctive of humans from the animals at large being the special creation in all of the world, which is purposefully only described in the Hebrew Holy Bible in a way that explains the inhumanity we see today and of which we can read of in the variant histories of mankind. With very few exceptions, it is not a picture of beauty, but of an abuse of the beauty that once was the covering of this world, since lost to the millennia. The first murder was not the first sin; the first sin was the disobedience to the Creator. This disobedience commenced in the heavens, the Adversary seeking his own prominence and was condemned to harass the earth on his way to perdition.

Sin dissolved the original relationship to the Creator by the influence of the Adversary, forcing the beginning of humanity to be removed from the very thing the Creator desired from that part of His creation, the fellowship with the being created in His image. Man in his disobedience now had no way to please the Creator. In that vein, the first murder being disobedience to the Creator, it is a process that continues today because mankind continues in this rebellion that started from the beginning. Further, while trying to regain good graces with the Creator, religion was developed to provide a method of works to ingratiate the worshipper to the Creator. It does not work, for in the imperfection, there cannot be perfection. All religions, ALL religions, which try to use any human means to ingratiate one to the Creator, fail. In imperfective humanity, one cannot achieve a relationship to Nanak as a Sikh, to Buddha as Buddhist, to 'alah as Muslim, or to the Eternal Almighty without a relationship with Yeshua HaMashiach.

In that vein, we see the struggle within the Middle East region as a battle of ideologies, of which religion is going to be found as the best answer for the respective adherents. In the contemporary circumstances, we see how Islam has resurged to the forefront in trying to regain its once former status as a world recognized power, something which has left its ideologies from time past in the wake of the newer modern focus to dominate all religious activities. It is in this vein we saw bin Laden strive for his concept of the cause. In that bin Laden chose force to bring his version of being Muslim and he has many others of the Muslim following seeking the same course, the question is posed: if the world seeks peace, how will it ever get that peace if the forces of the bin Laden nature will always need force to keep that religion alive. Even in nations practicing Islam as the basis of the culture, force is always present. Now in the Western Christian culture, it cannot be denied that force to ensure obedience to the rule of law is necessary, but only to the extent that those living within the structure of that society submit to that rule. In America, that rule of law was originally Biblically based.

Since the defiance of that premise was initialized in the 1960's by the judicial system, the rule of law is now more humanist in its nature; as such it does not hold to the full Biblical principles that were once honored and the consequences are seen. So it is seen that the clash of these two dominant religious cultures, Christianity and Islam, found a place of resonance in the attempted and finished destruction of the World Trade Center. September 11, 2001 became the new symbolic emblem of the struggle between the Western and Islamic influences in the world scene, and bin Laden began the process of highlighting his hatred for the things of the West of which he got his taste from battling the Soviets. But in taking on America as his focus for his hatred, he took on something more that he eventually found out was greater than he could handle. America did not emerge immediately on the world scene; nor will it disappear with the loss of a few buildings. Bin Laden managed to force some changes, but in his isolation, he failed to recognize that his form of religious drive is ages old and unfortunately could not overcome an ideology he did not understand. And this is a lesson the world is evidently failing to understand as well.

True Christianity does not conform to the world standard, principally and fundamentally due to its unique relationship with its Savior, Yeshua HaMashiach. Bin Laden failed to grasp this as well in his alternative following of the teachings of the Islamic Prophet. As long as anyone fails to develop a faith relationship with Yeshua HaMashiach, there will be no understanding. This failure to understand is now seen fomenting in the attempts of retaliation for the death of bin Laden. This is unfortunate for Islam; indeed unfortunate for the rest of the world as it now tries again to take on the impossible task of frustrating the promises made to the nation of Israel by her Almighty Eternal Sovereign. Try as any might, the world will bring about its own destruction in the process of the desire to diminish, then eliminate, Israel as a false means to obtain world peace. May 1948 was a watershed moment in world history, something that the world likely never thought could happen in two thousand years, let alone in the lifetime of this generation. Israel was made the proof of its historical implications on what the future brings; and any effort to make that null and void is going to bring destruction upon those who make the attempt. Osama bin Laden hated Israel. Instead of seeking the Almighty Eternal Sovereign to understand why, he took his hatred out on America in pursuing the cause of his religion. To use mere religion to understand the kind of hatred bin Laden and those who think like him embrace will never bring understanding: only seeking the Almighty Eternal Sovereign through faith in Yeshua HaMashiach is necessary to understand why. That is the basis of salvation that escapes religion. Otherwise, mere religion will only follow the methodology of humanist thinking and will never realize the true path to peace until it is too late.


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Title Commenter Date Thread
Thoughts on Bin Laden killing [169 words]NKNov 8, 2013 15:10211302
Osama had many goals that are yet to be achieve? immigration [241 words]abdirisakJun 3, 2011 20:35185954
I'm hoping you are right, Mr. Pipes, but ... [91 words]kmanMay 11, 2011 14:31185111
1more fairytales from PressTV [85 words]romMay 10, 2011 10:40185076
when it comes to inventing stories, no one does better than Jihadis [126 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 17, 2011 00:42185076
2More Islamist hypocrisy [190 words]PrashantMay 7, 2011 00:05184970
2Osama was a real hero [56 words]True BelieverMay 6, 2011 07:40184950
1Your Comment [7 words]Kepha HorMay 8, 2011 21:54184950
1For Some, Sure - But bin Laden Did Not Offer Freedom of Love - Where's the Hero Status in That? [295 words]M. ToveyMay 10, 2011 15:31184950
2"Front line" - ? What a joke ... [44 words]kmanMay 11, 2011 14:43184950
Muslims have no multi-personality disorders [275 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 12, 2011 06:05184950
You blithely equate Christians and Muslims as equally guilty of killing - wrong. [196 words]kmanMay 15, 2011 18:30184950
simple learning and IQ of 5 year old child; that is what Jihadis need [160 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 16, 2011 04:13184950
Muslims are Subject to All Natural Human Traits - All Imperfect - All Needing Salvation [1140 words]M. ToveyMay 16, 2011 13:56184950
I couldn't do any where near as well in your language, but ... [223 words]kmanMay 16, 2011 20:08184950
I put in simple grade 3 English [67 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 18, 2011 01:38184950
No "hurt" taken, "Ravi" ... [27 words]kmanMay 18, 2011 18:07184950
Reactions Overseas [56 words]ConnieMay 5, 2011 17:22184925
2Killing of wild arabian dog [179 words]Muslimk***May 5, 2011 11:02184915
Don't you Insult Dog [7 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 18, 2011 11:30184915
1I'm concerned about Pakistanis [190 words]There is NO Santa ClausMay 5, 2011 08:14184905
1Bin Laden posters in Bonn Germany [76 words]mythMay 5, 2011 06:17184902
you once thought OBL was more important! [128 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
M. PohlMay 5, 2011 01:12184895
3Pakistan the thriving centre of terror sources - Indians Feel vindicated [351 words]adam eveMay 4, 2011 19:32184873
Highlight [22 words]vijayMay 5, 2011 05:00184873
Now, wait a minute! [60 words]Kepha HorMay 8, 2011 21:51184873
Now, wait a minute! [42 words]Kepha HorMay 8, 2011 21:52184873
I agree with many of your comments, but ... [94 words]kmanMay 11, 2011 14:55184873
conclusion [24 words]John PhilipsMay 4, 2011 05:50184845
1Looks like my comment on this quote got cut off [82 words]John PhilipsMay 7, 2011 03:09184845
Lets Make A Couple of Things Clear [255 words]MikeMay 3, 2011 14:15184813
the legal perspective: the west vs the islamists [193 words]mythMay 4, 2011 06:27184813
1The Bush Doctrine Trumps President Ford [37 words]Virginia GentlemanMay 4, 2011 08:41184813
Your Argument Sounds Like An Obama Argument [68 words]MikeMay 5, 2011 09:07184813
Let's be legal all the time [76 words]Kepha HorMay 8, 2011 21:47184813
There is one important word here - "political" ... [170 words]kmanMay 11, 2011 15:14184813
I agree, "Kepha". [90 words]kmanMay 11, 2011 15:28184813
1Public killing was a mistake [144 words]Lars NielsenMay 3, 2011 08:32184795
Bin Laden Made the First Public Mistake - And the Second by NOT Giving Up [420 words]M. ToveyMay 3, 2011 18:26184795
Sorry Lars [52 words]DennisMay 4, 2011 07:35184795
1Though he was dead ... [76 words]Humanity not for MonstersMay 5, 2011 13:12184795
Good post, Mr. Tovey [94 words]Kepha HorMay 7, 2011 16:33184795
1US & Pak must be in cahoots to keep Osama in a secure hideout [301 words]Ghulam MuhammedMay 3, 2011 01:44184790
1Sorry, Ghulam, you're full of it. [135 words]Kepha HorMay 7, 2011 16:28184790
Every one who was bad was created by America. Yeah Right. [72 words]TejMay 8, 2011 02:39184790
RE: Osama [262 words]Ghulam MuhammedMay 8, 2011 03:47184790
So, Muslims are JOOOOOOZ too? [59 words]Kepha HorMay 8, 2011 21:41184790
"Collusion" -? Very limited ... [107 words]kmanMay 11, 2011 15:40184790
Take your own advice [109 words]Ghulam MuhammedMay 12, 2011 01:21184790
This might surprise you, but I agree ... [243 words]kmanMay 12, 2011 20:43184790
Very well said! [27 words]PrashantMay 14, 2011 01:30184790
2A note on the death of Bin laden [482 words]martinMay 3, 2011 01:18184788
A DANGEROUS GAME USING "THE SORCERER'S APPRENTICE-- [163 words]RANDRANDMay 4, 2011 00:10184788
2On to the next nut [21 words]Jay1May 2, 2011 23:09184779
Thoughts on the Death of Bin Laden [64 words]Dan RusenMay 2, 2011 22:21184777
1Islamic achievement impresses me. [76 words]MartinMay 4, 2011 02:41184777
Chicken coming home to roost [144 words]Amin RiazMay 2, 2011 22:05184772
Bin Laden was Indeed Foul - But America was NEVER His Home [360 words]M. ToveyMay 3, 2011 19:18184772
No more afraid. [149 words]batya daganMay 2, 2011 21:46184771
Osama was a hero [132 words]mikeMay 3, 2011 19:14184771
Hero to some , monster to others. [117 words]batya daganMay 3, 2011 20:30184771
A Certification of "Live Death" [63 words]alanMay 2, 2011 20:24184770
A trivial event in defense of America. [200 words]Ralph C. Whaley MDMay 2, 2011 20:00184769
The Road Ahead: We Must Not Waver [192 words]Frank LukeMay 2, 2011 18:06184767
6Osama and Obama politics [113 words]saraMay 2, 2011 17:14184762
2Dust Bin of History [118 words]Barry BlackMay 2, 2011 15:10184757
The sheik is death, long live the sheik! [325 words]SergioMay 2, 2011 15:07184756
Continue the fight against terrorism [53 words]k00litMay 2, 2011 14:17184755
RE: Osama killed [605 words]Ghulam MuhammedMay 2, 2011 12:21184752
19-11 Will Be Different This Year [769 words]M. ToveyMay 2, 2011 12:15184751
1favourable headlines [332 words]mythMay 2, 2011 09:10184748
10In memory of the victims of the 9/11 atrocity [102 words]dhimmi no moreMay 2, 2011 06:14184742
80% Rule [82 words]Barry BlackMay 4, 2011 10:48184742
Now recover damages from Pakistan [296 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 4, 2011 13:17184742
Stupid ILies [262 words]Amin RiazMay 4, 2011 20:47184742
3What stupid lies? But Pakistan is a terrorist state [716 words]dhimmi no moreMay 6, 2011 13:11184742
2A bodyblow? [101 words]ZSIMay 2, 2011 02:46184737
2Islamist "monster-heads" [60 words]Mr. BlachMay 2, 2011 17:06184737
more than a figurehead [125 words]mythMay 3, 2011 09:37184737
1A Blow to FAKE anti-war activists [27 words]EdwardMay 2, 2011 01:52184736
1ladens last stand [34 words]dunceMay 2, 2011 01:48184735
Imad Mughniyah [14 words]
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AlexMay 2, 2011 01:32184734
License to Kill [51 words]Barry BlackMay 3, 2011 17:41184734
Pakistan has forced to be silent, while America obtained its license to kill [178 words]Ravi Ranjan Singh Bharat PanthiMay 21, 2011 02:00184734
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2About time! Congrats America! Cheers from Israel! [21 words]sagiMay 2, 2011 01:28184733
1a shoo in for Obama [35 words]
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CristinaMay 2, 2011 00:49184732
I apologize [83 words]WallyMay 2, 2011 17:50184732
Possibly but it comes too soon [39 words]Abu NudnikMay 3, 2011 01:06184732
It's Always the Economy [63 words]Barry BlackMay 3, 2011 17:25184732

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