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Submitted by Spare me (United States), Mar 4, 2010 at 18:19

First of all, I just want to state, that I don't believe in any of the prophets, so they have no bearing on any of my opinions. That being said, your Holy Koran is a horrible, violent, primitive diatribe against humanity. Mohammed would have been thrown in prison anywhere in the Western world for many of his actions, including the consumation of a marriage with a six-year-old child. In other words, he was a pedophile, and this is your prophet? You actually listen to this goon?

Regarding the borrowing of money at interest, a far lesser crime than child rape, can be expoloitative, but it depends on the transaction. When someone lends a large sum of money, they take a huge financial risk and suffer a temporary loss, because the money that they lend to someone else cannot be invested for their personal financial gain. Therefore, the money-lender provides an indispensable service to the borrower. Why should this service not have a price

? Everyone seems think it is a very good service, in fact, I know Muslims and Christians and Jews who are quite willing to borrow at interest when the need arises. In Medieval Europe, Christians were forbidden from charging interest to or accepting money at interest from other Christians. Simultaneously, they banned Jews from almost all forms of commerce with Christians, creating a economic vacuum for the Jewish community, or, if you will, a financial ghetto. This was until Christians wanted to borrow money. In response to this need, the Church deemed it acceptable to borrow money at interest if it was borrowed from a Jew. Hence, the prominence of Jews in the banking industry through most of their diaspora in Europe. Jews, however, upheld the prohibition on lending and borrowing at interest among their own people, and still do in some more religious communities. This is a little detail that self-righteous anti-semites, like the Arabs and the Catholic Church, forget, especially whenever their leaders need to deflect the rage of their disgruntled masses from themselves and on to a convenient scapegoat. (I wonder whom the vast majority of Muslims who live in dire poverty and illiteracy would be blowing up if they didn't have the convenience of the Israeli/Jewish scapegoat?)

Anyway, while it is true that some banks and lenders (most of them nowadays NOT Jewish) are crooks and swindlers and exploit the poorest among us, at least in the West, most of those poor in the West can read the small print and should before they go borrowing money they can't repay. It is called personal responsibility. It is what Kant called "freeing ourselves from the yoke of our self-imposed servitude" or something like that (I really need to buy another volume of Kant writings so I can quote him better). It is Enlightenment and not blaming the rest of the world for your problems. It is exhilarating to be all grown up. I am just a little sick of Muslims talking about how great the Koran is and how wonderful it is to be a Muslim, and their little love fest the pedophile Mohammed, when everything in the Muslim world evidently sucks or their wouldn't be so many of you in Europe and America. Your world is plagued by poverty, illiteracy (up to 70% in Egypt), tribal disputes, killing, murder, rape, prostitution, etc.

Of course the West has it share of many of these problems, we just don't sweep them under the rug and deny they exist--something the Muslims are very good at: denial. Denial is always a hallmark of all my conversations with Muslims, especially the Arabs, about perceptions I have about their world. They respond to every negative perception with, "No, no, no, no, that is not true. Where did you hear that? Muslims didn't fly those planes into the World Trade Center, it was the CIA. Al Jazeera told me, so it must be true." That's like believing what they say on Fox News, brother, and that is just crazy. Both networks make it up as they go. Anyway, back to your problems and bad behavior.

The UN handed over the Serbian Jerusalem of Kosovo to you after your Albanian partners in barbarism bred the Serbs out, and again Islam demonstrates its gratitude and commitment to tolerance and peace by destroying 300 churches (most Albanians are Orthodox Christian, so I take it that the Albanians who were out burning churches weren't Christian Albanians.) Even the Scandinavians, the most tolerant society in the world, is sick of you. You have worn out your welcome in Norway and Sweden. Even the Jews can't make that claim. Wow. So, I don't really want to hear about the virtues of what that nutcase Mohammed had to say about interest. Interest is the least of your problems. The fact that you want to kill me right now, should clue you in on the holes in your moral shield, and cause you to consider how this religion of yours has just really kept you from knowing what peace is. It has kept you in a spiritually, intellectually and socially stunted state of primitivism.


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7Interest. [856 words]Spare meMar 4, 2010 18:19163606
4Self-evident contradiction in Quran [59 words]PrashantJun 2, 2011 04:28163606
2errant nonsense [97 words]janakiJun 3, 2011 11:42163606
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1This is propaganda [118 words]anti-propagandaNov 22, 2008 14:28123747
6re: "prophet" mohammed owned slaves [27 words]jim martinSep 21, 2009 14:02123747
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7Yes, Idris, Mohammed Owned Slaves [82 words]orange yonasonJan 27, 2010 06:11123747
2Slavery in Islam [22 words]randy63ismDec 26, 2010 18:53123747
2Islam has lost its' identity. [70 words]Mahendra Tamhane.Jun 4, 2011 04:02123747
3Get your own facts straight [53 words]Michael CaraxJun 6, 2011 04:45123747
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2Disgusting! Bias in Media! [110 words]Ted KravitzJul 22, 2007 13:23104329
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2tent intellectuality and the Jahillya way [111 words]mohamed al hassenSep 21, 2009 09:0868077
2If you want to legalize it [125 words]alyshaOct 3, 2006 17:5358794
2Slavery sucks [77 words]BeashOct 3, 2006 17:4458793
2Pointing fingers [14 words]C Ananda RaoMar 21, 2006 06:1240892
1Dear C Ananda Rao [13 words]S.JonssonApr 8, 2006 15:5140892
1It won't happen. - Koran is the word of god. [173 words]JohnFeb 26, 2006 00:1438049
3smug talk usually signals ignorance. [213 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJun 17, 2006 06:2438049
2Human Ignorance Revealed by The True WORD of the LORD [305 words]M. ToveyJun 2, 2011 11:4238049
2Jewish view of slavery [87 words]Sabba HillelDec 30, 2005 12:1530790
2Slavery [48 words]DaisyDec 29, 2005 20:5930756
1You see not the whole story [90 words]FSMay 14, 2006 22:0030756
1hear hear. (I agree) [71 words]Abdul Rahman ReijerinkJun 17, 2006 06:3430756
3Oh? So you think the Koran has been misinterpreted? [74 words]Grady RussellMar 6, 2007 15:1630756
2Dear Fnds [36 words]Iam a Muslim alhamdulillah..:)Jul 14, 2009 05:5330756
3The "It's Just A Minority Giving The Rest Of Us A Bad Name" Meme [73 words]orange yonasonJan 27, 2010 06:2430756

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