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Amina: Islam is politics and politics is Islam and never the twain shall part

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Submitted by Plato (India), Oct 7, 2009 at 04:58

Amina, you write,

>>The first thing I want to say is...WOWWWWWW you guys are extreme! I actually feel really really sorry for you both.<<

Many are the Muslims who have felt sorry for us or angry at us or been abusive on this blog. I have not yet felt sorry or anything else for myself, that is why I still post here. But most Muslim bloggers seem to feel sorry they post here and disappear after a few postings. You say you are also going to do the same.

>>I am so astonished at how narrow minded you can be! You are falling into such a trap, you are actually as polarized in your beliefs as the fundamentalists.<<

Polarized belief? What is that? One cannot believe in Islam and be a pagan at once. A fundamentalist's belief is as narrowly focused on one belief as you can get.

You just make statements. What is the basis for saying we are narrow minded? We don't mind the niqabs except if it is forced on women or it becomes a security threat to us.

>>Listen, I don't know what kind of Islamic propaganda you've been listening to (or perhaps seeking?) but if you have 2 brain cells to rub together, use it!<<

As males, Allah has given us two brain cells. But Allah (aka Muhammad) seems to think than women have only one: Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: …" The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence."

>>If there is anything that I have learnt of faith, it is that you must question, question, questuion.<<

Surely you are talking of some faith other than Islam, for in Islam Allah has forbidden Muslims to question His faith.

005.101- 102 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. But if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, Allah will forgive those: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Forbearing. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.

If you are a Muslim then you could not have been questioning Islam or you would have lost faith.

>>Who is God? <<

What answers did you get to these questions you asked. Could this god get into an apoplectic rage if you associated someone with Him? Would a being who claims to be a merciful god punish you with never-ending torture for this silly "crime"? Would the Creator of the Universe, this god you are trying to understand, behave like a human cursing and abusing people he does not as in (Surah 111, the Palm fibre).

>>What is faith?<<

Would blind belief fit the bill? 002.003 YUSUFALI: Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;

>>What does he expect of us?<<

He has made quite clear what He expects of you in these verses:

009.029 YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. [ALLAH EXPECTS YOU TO FIGHT AND SUBDUE NON-MUSLIMS AND HUMILIATE THEM]

009.111 YUSUFALI: Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. [ALLAH HAS GIVEN MULIMS A BINDING CONTRACT TO GIVE YOU PARADISE IF YOU KILL OR GET KILLED ON HIS BEHALF]

>>Why does God ask for such things?<<

Exactly! Why? Why? Why?

>>Which of these is relevant to our times?<<

What answer did you find to these questions?

>>Which of these is purely metaphorical?<<

Can you turn 9:29 and 9:111 into verses with metaphorical meanings which annul their literal meaning. That would indeed be a great feat.

>>Which of it these is human exploitation?<<

This question does not require two brain cells to answer. One will do. Allah exploits humans in hundreds of verses. You read 9:29 and 9:111. They are good examples of Allah exploiting Muslim belief in Him to exploit other human beings.

009.028 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

Read Allah uses the believers to keep out the pagans from their sacred temple and sacred idols. Do you need any further evidence that Allah exploits one set of humans to exploit others? Allah offers Muslims riches from His bounty (looted wealth of pagan, jews) to make up for revenue lost from pagan pilgrims to the Kaaba.

>>You must learn to separate the politics from the religion.<<

We non-Muslims have not only learned but already practice separation of religion and politics. Allah does not allow Muslims that freedom. His sharia is supreme. Why do you think Muslim countries all swear by Sharia? Allah says Islam must prevail over the whole earth, even if it is detested. Politics and religion are INSEPARABLY mixed in Islam:

009.033 YUSUFALI: It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).

003.085 YUSUFALI: If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

How does Allah intend to enforce these edicts of His without political power?

>>Islam is one of the 3 Abrahamic religions, of which the other 2 are Christianity and Judaism. Each of these 3 monotheistic religions believe in the one and the same God and are built on many of the same foundations.<<

True. Have you compared the foundations on which these three stand and the foundations of non-monotheistic religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism? Monotheism is built with the rubble of prophets, angels, jinns, satan, talking birds and ants, a human-face horse, and one angry, jealous, self-glorifying god. Are these three any better than polytheistic religions? Islam is built on a foundation of blind belief, 002.003. Read about the polytheistic religions, they do not have the fear of abandonment or any sense of inferiority as demonstrated by the monotheistic god's constant demand for adulation.

>>Allah is merely the term for God in Arabic because that is the language of the Qur'an, but it refers to the same entity in all 3 religions. That is something everybody knows, be they Muslim, Jewish or Christian.Now pray tell me, why would God command the Muslims to hate the Jews and the Christians if He is the one who sent down all 3 religions?<<

Allah (aka Muhammad) commands the Muslims to hate the people of the book because they refused to believe Muhammad's claim that Gabriel spoke to him. Why should they, without a shred of proof, except Muhammad's words? Splitting the moon in two? LOL.

>>There is no such mention of it in the entire Qur'an.<<

We know. Just deny such things exist in the Koran if you have not read it. Or if you have read it, and are a bit more sophisticated claim poor translation or context.

Allah commanded Muslims to fight them and humiliate them in 9:29. Would He do that if He did not want Muslims to hate Jews and Christians?

>>In fact, I grew up with my father telling me that I am Jewish because I believe in Moses, and I am Christian because I believe in Jesus Christ, but lastly I am Muslim because I believe in Prophet Mohammed. I am genuinely concerned that you define a "good Muslim" as someone who is full of hate.<<

You should be genuinely concerned with verses like 9:29 and 9:33 in which Allah wants good Muslims to fight, humiliate and kill non-Muslims. Now if I re-wrote these verses with these minor changes would you think they are hateful towards Muslims:

IX:IVX: 009.033 PLATO: It is God Who hath sent Jesus with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Muslims may detest (it).

IX:XXX PLATO: Fight those who believe not in Jesus nor the Trinity, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Jesus and His Apostles, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are Muslims, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

>>This is the point I have been stressing while you were busy mistaking "Muslim" for "Islamist extremist". What you have to realize is that an Islamist extremist will not agree with me just as s/he will not agree with you, because s/he believes there is only 1 way of practicing Islam and that is his/her way.<<

You cannot get away from verses like 9:29, 9:33 and 9:111. What will you do if they quote these verses to you and tell you your Islam is deficient if you refuse to believe and enforce such verses?

>>This is not Islam, this is not religion. It is a twisted dictatorship over religious expression (yes that term you don't understand where one is barred from practicing freely what one believes) and I abhor that as well.even if we are of the same religion.<<

Do you abhor 9:33? Does it sound like twisted dictatorship about religious expression? Or does 3:85 and 58:21 sound like Allah wants us to practice freely what one believes? Amina why do Muslims always twist things around and insist it is non-Muslims who do not allow the free practice of religion?

>>It is the extremists who proliferate false teachings and propaganda in an attempt to brainwash fools and desperates.<<

This is good dawa. The extremists know their Koran. They can pick out verses like 9:29, 9:111 or 9:33 and throw them at so-called moderate Muslims who fall silent when confronted with such commands of Allah. Considering the number of Muslims who believe their propaganda the Islamic world seems awash with "desperates" and brainwashed fools. Should you not be feeling sorry for those poor fools for being such easy prey to the teachings of the Koran (which despite being Allah's Book can be "twisted" so easily to fool people in the millions?).

>>Anybody who is educated knows that this is in blatant conflict with the peaceful teachings of Islam and I can quite guarantee, at least on my part and for every beautiful Muslim person that I know that we are not hell bent on taking over the West, exterminating any group, or suppressing anybody else's religious activity.<<

Has the person who sold you your Koran removed verses like 9:5, 9:29 and 9:111 or 9:33 etc from it? Buy another Koran or download three translations from: http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/

9:29 asks Muslims, beautiful or otherwise, to take over not just the West but everyone between East and West. 9:33 says that Allah will suppress all religious activity except that of Muslims.

>>So I can only conclude that it is you two, and not me, who wants to split the world into just 2 categories: Muslim and non-Muslim.<<

Sadly (or happily?) I must conclude that you are not a Muslim or at least not a knowledgeable one. Haven't you heard of dar al Islam and dar al Harb? If you knew these terms you would not be living in Australia for Allah says:

004.097 YUSUFALI: When angels take the souls of those who die in sin against their souls, they say: "In what (plight) Were ye?" They reply: "Weak and oppressed Were we in the earth." They say: "Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to move yourselves away (From evil)?" Such men will find their abode in Hell,- What an evil refuge! – [HAPPILY THIS DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU, IF YOU ARE FEMALE, AS THE VERSE IS ADDRESSED ONLY TO MEN]

>>I recognize and cherish that there are a myriad of identities and ways of expressing faith that is not necessarily mine. I accept the individual choice to cover, or not cover, so long as it is not enforced as this once again conflicts with Islam but is politically exploited. <<

But Allah does not cherish myriad identities. He demands one single identity in 9:33. Oh yes He did say once: 049.013 YUSUFALI: O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). …. But that was before Surah Tawba (Surah 9) came down like a thunderbolt on infidels and abrogated it.

If you cherish that there are myriad ways of expressing faith, then you cannot truly be a Muslim. Even within Islam if you innovate on religion you will be accused of 'bida' and your blood will be halal. You can do it in Australia because the infidel laws will jail the mulla who calls for your blood.

<<Dhimmi and Plato, you are both so focused on hating and patronizing Islam that I doubt you will ever make good company in this free society you supposedly live in. It must be a lonely thing to have such a small heart.<<<

We are in good company.The patronisers-in-chief are Allah and His Messenger.

39:36 Is GOD not sufficient for His servant? They frighten you with the IDOLS they set up beside Him. Whomever GOD sends astray, nothing can guide him [AND ALLAH FRIGHTENS MUSLIMS WITH THREATS OF HELL]

2:111 The [Jewish and Christian elders] declared, "Only the Jews and Christians shall enter paradise!" Such are their wishful fancies. Say, "Bring your proof, if you were really truthful." [WHAT PROOF DOES ALLAH OFFER FOR HIS EXISTENCE? THE BLOWING WIND, THE SPROUTING PLANTS, THE MOUNTAINS STANDING FIRM. HOW MORE PATRONISING CAN YOU GET?]

Bukhari Volume 1, Book 2, Number 13: Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is, none of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father and his children."

He is supposedly a mercy to all mankind. And he wants Muslims love him above his father (what about mother?) and his children or the?ir faith will be nought. How more patronizing can you get

Regards

Plato

Amina

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Practice what you preach [66 words]JaladhiSep 9, 2009 10:25161026
Jihad means salvation of Self and the Other [245 words]Salah AliSep 11, 2009 08:52161026
Blessed be God the Lord of the Worlds: [261 words]Salah AliSep 11, 2009 09:10161026
1Salah Ali: Criticism is a vital part of free expression [1715 words]PlatoSep 11, 2009 11:03161026
FOR SALAH ALI [416 words]DEBORAH THE JUDGESep 12, 2009 20:32161026
so kind [521 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 12, 2009 22:06161026
pineapples and oranges [407 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 12, 2009 23:21161026
How can I express the expressable? [516 words]Salah AliSep 13, 2009 04:27161026
1Salah Ali: Your claim about apes and oranges being made to fit man had me in fits [483 words]PlatoSep 13, 2009 13:42161026
Salah Ali: Jihad and Jiziya are meant to humiliate non-Muslims [1851 words]PlatoSep 13, 2009 23:17161026
A different form of expression [295 words]true believerSep 14, 2009 06:08161026
Our dear so called Salah Ali and the Islamic sources [593 words]dhimmi no moreSep 14, 2009 08:04161026
Even Einstein ended up with approximations [697 words]Salah AliSep 14, 2009 08:46161026
Salh ali's gobbledygook!!! [191 words]JaladhiSep 14, 2009 15:05161026
Theology Cannot - Does Not - Resolve Itself in Darwinian Exposition [531 words]M. ToveySep 14, 2009 19:44161026
Jihad and the islamic crusades revisited and islamic delusions [971 words]dhimmi no moreSep 18, 2009 06:54161026
1Salah Ali: Philosophy is wasted on me. Koran translations are a waste too [3002 words]PlatoSep 19, 2009 13:05161026
Cherry picking time and our dear salah al-tablighee [546 words]dhimmi no moreSep 20, 2009 14:18161026
1womens nakedness ETC /Salah Ali ! [:oP [282 words]Emmanuel Etchells-AyreSep 20, 2009 22:53161026
Devil is in the details! [578 words]Salah AliSep 22, 2009 03:39161026
How can I make you see what I can see? [435 words]Salah AliSep 22, 2009 04:24161026
Muslim coming to their senses. [317 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 22, 2009 04:45161026
Our dear Salah and dis bogus so called proverb [87 words]dhimmi no moreSep 22, 2009 19:35161026
So where do you teach Arabic our dear salah Ali? [33 words]dhimmi no moreSep 22, 2009 19:41161026
Devil is in the details. [359 words]Emmanuel Etchells-AyreSep 23, 2009 04:08161026
1The islamic paradise virgins wine and ghulman! [107 words]dhimmi no moreSep 23, 2009 08:14161026
1Salah Ali: You are saying for non-Muslims the Koran has as many meanings as there are translations [2390 words]PlatoSep 24, 2009 00:13161026
Pornography in the west and elsewhere [55 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 24, 2009 19:04161026
Islam and introspection [38 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 24, 2009 19:27161026
Jizya?? HA! [113 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 24, 2009 20:34161026
Never to stop dialogue [622 words]Salah AliSep 25, 2009 01:32161026
Books again! HA! [367 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 03:00161026
HELL?? Ha Ha Ha Ha! [111 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 03:27161026
Seeing through the Eye of G-d [165 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 03:59161026
Mr. Tovey--- PLEASE! [125 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 04:16161026
No mathematics in belief??? HA! [25 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 04:46161026
Intoxicated by babble [39 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 05:14161026
Alas for the poor Arab [69 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 05:26161026
Pleading Acknowledged - Yet Biblcal Truth Cannot be Ignored. [1030 words]M. ToveySep 25, 2009 18:31161026
Life is an Eternal Celebration [324 words]Salah AliSep 26, 2009 08:48161026
the profane and the sacred [158 words]Salah AliSep 26, 2009 08:58161026
1Salah Ali: Your posts reveal your mind is evolving away from black rams doing their job to more speculative stuff [2749 words]PlatoSep 26, 2009 22:45161026
Let's go on with dialogue. [125 words]Salah AliSep 28, 2009 04:06161026
More issues [513 words]Salah AliSep 28, 2009 07:31161026
My Dear Salah Ali [104 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 28, 2009 23:22161026
Mr. Tovey--- PLEASE! [477 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 00:09161026
And what is the symbol for infinity? [76 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 22:03161026
Ah my dear Salah [187 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 22:35161026
Zero is the beginning and end of all mathematics! [541 words]Salah AliSep 30, 2009 06:51161026
Mr.Tovey---again [742 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 30, 2009 10:09161026
AI Salah?? [149 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 1, 2009 01:53161026
Salah Ali: Negating Allah will lead to negating superstition [561 words]PlatoOct 1, 2009 04:27161026
Salah Ali: Negating Allah will lead to negating superstition [692 words]PlatoOct 1, 2009 23:37161026
Salah Ali: From quarreling about Niqabs we are now dueling about dualism. [2441 words]PlatoOct 1, 2009 23:45161026
God encourages difference [241 words]Salah AliOct 2, 2009 03:02161026
nothing to prove [639 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanOct 3, 2009 21:04161026
Again to Salah Ali [243 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 3, 2009 23:07161026
I see eye to eye with you [80 words]Salah AliOct 5, 2009 01:33161026
To Salah Ali [75 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 6, 2009 18:56161026
Yes, sharing views is a bless [92 words]Salah AliOct 7, 2009 01:51161026
Almighty God Encourages Nothing that Contradicts His Spoken and Written WORD - The Hebrew Holy Bible [774 words]M. ToveyOct 8, 2009 12:39161026
To Salah Ali [159 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 8, 2009 20:50161026
Who is wise but YHWH [258 words]LynnOct 9, 2009 10:21161026
To lynn [201 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 11, 2009 17:26161026
How things will look in Afterlife [498 words]Salah AliOct 12, 2009 09:42161026
I know more of Human pains than Gods' secrets [218 words]Salah AliOct 12, 2009 10:03161026
The Afterlife in a Christian's Life Follows the Truth of Jesus Christ in His Holy Bible - Not a Fable of a Different Sort. [662 words]M. ToveyOct 13, 2009 19:34161026
muslim eschatology [453 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanOct 13, 2009 21:36161026
I am sorry Salah Ali [164 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 14, 2009 02:29161026
Salah Ali: Your sufi ramblings end with a show of your Islamic fangs [1002 words]PlatoOct 14, 2009 08:55161026
Paul [195 words]LynnOct 14, 2009 12:06161026
Who cares? [101 words]Salah AliOct 14, 2009 16:17161026
See better Lear? [22 words]Salah AliOct 14, 2009 16:21161026
Drinking leads writing astray [38 words]Salah AliOct 14, 2009 16:26161026
Imagine there's no heavens [17 words]Salah AliOct 14, 2009 16:29161026
To Lynn-- The word of G-D did hold true for those who held to it [175 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 14, 2009 20:16161026
Our dear salah Ali who lives among infldels and whose wellfare check and the cost of his health care are paid by infidles [162 words]dhimmi no moreOct 15, 2009 18:57161026
Where do you get your information? This seems to me to be just Islamic propaganda with little factual evidence to back it up. [93 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 17, 2009 12:05161026
Oh the Muslim crusades and Arabian imperialism and why do you live in Norway our dear So called Salah Ali? [97 words]dhimmi no moreOct 17, 2009 12:13161026
Salah Ali: There are better sites than Danielpipes to practice English composition [105 words]PlatoOct 19, 2009 00:58161026
Hebrew Holy Bible is Truth - Then and Now -Forever [792 words]M. ToveyOct 20, 2009 16:49161026
Mr. Tovey, How can you be so ignorant of actual Jewish history? [251 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 21, 2009 23:15161026
Does Not the Holy Writ Tell the Truth About Judaism? The Commandment is to Believe Him in His Truth, in His Holy WORD. [970 words]M. ToveyOct 22, 2009 18:34161026
We must remember Mr. MacNemi [198 words]LynnOct 22, 2009 19:45161026
To Lynn [86 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 23, 2009 02:15161026
With all due respect to Mr. Tovey [988 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 24, 2009 11:25161026
The true order. [177 words]LynnOct 24, 2009 11:52161026
The Hebrew Holy Bible Requires Obedience to His WORD - Whether Humanly Understood or Not [1555 words]M. ToveyOct 26, 2009 17:14161026
I cannot fault your faith Mr. Tovey [685 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 27, 2009 20:29161026
Faith is All I Have-is the TRUE Source of My Life [993 words]M. ToveyOct 29, 2009 16:30161026
I realize that I must be careful in this matter [844 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 30, 2009 11:06161026
Searching for Truth Always Requires Careful Attention [1414 words]M. ToveyNov 3, 2009 13:39161026
Different paths to the same destination [671 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiNov 5, 2009 01:53161026
The Destination of Eternity in Him is Found by Following His Path Thought His Righteousness [838 words]M. ToveyNov 9, 2009 18:00161026
Things both felt and observed beyond the ordinary [266 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiNov 10, 2009 22:40161026
Hello..Here comes Plato again! [670 words]Salah AliNov 12, 2009 09:07161026
A Different Observation - [136 words]M. ToveyNov 17, 2009 19:25161026
Still, I think we must be careful [69 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiNov 18, 2009 21:07161026
Salah Ali: Islam destroy the power to think logically in Muslims [2026 words]PlatoNov 22, 2009 03:17161026
Careful to Seek Truth and Not Veil It in the Face of the Enemy [571 words]M. ToveyNov 24, 2009 11:24161026
Mr. Tovey You in your way and me in mine [90 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiNov 24, 2009 22:04161026
Belief will be the Critical Difference [338 words]M. ToveyDec 2, 2009 12:32161026
G-Ds Word [166 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiDec 6, 2009 18:40161026
What is Written By His Command is the Acceptable Basis of Faith [354 words]M. ToveyDec 7, 2009 13:11161026
All of it was already written before Moses went up the mountain [85 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiDec 8, 2009 14:54161026
Where is it Written that Mankind Thinks as Almighty G-d? [490 words]M. ToveyDec 14, 2009 15:42161026
I do not need a book to know G-D [280 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiDec 15, 2009 20:48161026
According to His Holy WORD, I do. [834 words]M. ToveyDec 28, 2009 16:22161026
My final word in this matter! [1 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiDec 29, 2009 11:58161026
And Mine For You - Shalom [417 words]M. ToveyDec 30, 2009 11:22161026
The King's Return Cannot be Hidden - There is Only One Path for His Return to Jerusalem [1372 words]M .ToveyApr 12, 2010 14:37161026
Two sets of eyes view the same light each from his own perspective yet neither view is wrong. [264 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiApr 12, 2010 22:31161026
Niqabs and Burqas - The Veiled Threat Continues [102 words]Fazal Habib CurmallySep 3, 2009 06:07161012
A lot of disguising in the Muslim world. [165 words]batya daganSep 2, 2009 21:58160999
Indecent unexposure [431 words]R.K.Sep 2, 2009 15:25160982
How about school kids wearing Hijab/Niqab/Burka ? [61 words]HarrySep 2, 2009 15:08160981
Ban them now [96 words]Peter, ScotlandSep 2, 2009 14:44160979
Where's the necessity to wear niqabs and burqas in U.K. or Philadelphia, PA? [163 words]M.D.Sep 2, 2009 14:41160978
I loved the strength in Dr. Pipe's conclusion [37 words]YnnatchkahSep 2, 2009 14:34160977
Islamic dress [22 words]Janusz KowalikSep 2, 2009 14:06160976
Freedom of Dress [84 words]J SheffSep 2, 2009 13:42160975
Sorry, but I had to laugh at your comparison... [280 words]saraSep 2, 2009 18:33160975
superbly expressed [57 words]Ron ThompsonSep 2, 2009 20:58160975
Glad I made you laugh, now think! [106 words]J SheffSep 2, 2009 21:20160975
Ok, JSheff, Let's have a real discussion about this [343 words]saraSep 3, 2009 01:30160975
freedom of duress [68 words]LynnSep 3, 2009 09:54160975
More thoughts on criminalizing dress [448 words]JSheffSep 3, 2009 11:45160975
Ostracism and Feminism [446 words]saraSep 4, 2009 17:42160975
Muslim woman do not have a choice--they are forced/brainwashed/bullied to wear a burqa [300 words]HarrySep 5, 2009 02:45160975
Cohesiveness, conformity, and privacy [507 words]J. SheffSep 6, 2009 16:28160975
Freedom of expression vs. security and societal norms- JSheff [1089 words]saraSep 6, 2009 19:54160975
Ending on a note of "agreement" [179 words]J. SheffSep 7, 2009 00:33160975
A very well reasoned arguement [42 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 06:46160975
Seamus, thanks [504 words]saraSep 25, 2009 17:18160975
Shalom Sarah [368 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 01:11160975
An Additional Reason? [289 words]Ron ThompsonSep 2, 2009 12:11160973
the niqab is a symbol of oppression. .09' [33 words]Phil GreendSep 2, 2009 12:10160972
Query on "Niqab and Burqas" [30 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
John MeasorSep 2, 2009 11:51160971
RE: Article [213 words]BilalSep 2, 2009 11:27160970
Bilal has revealed the heart of the matter for all to see [180 words]PhilipSep 3, 2009 05:07160970
1Bilal: How black is your Islamic kettle [1401 words]PlatoSep 3, 2009 06:37160970
Love it or leave it. [224 words]PozzieSep 3, 2009 13:01160970
Bilal's Comments [271 words]portuguesamericanoSep 3, 2009 15:34160970
freedom - the power to determine action without restraint of ANY kind [765 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 3, 2009 23:39160970
Great comment - portuguesamericano!!! [350 words]JaladhiSep 5, 2009 17:08160970
RE: Plato [625 words]BilalSep 6, 2009 20:06160970
2Bilal: You failed to tell us what happened to the rapists and torturers you have listed. What are you trying to hide? [2296 words]PlatoSep 8, 2009 05:34160970
more hypocrisy from the UK [377 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 8, 2009 06:37160970
Bilal's comments RE: Plato [116 words]portuguesamericanoSep 8, 2009 12:46160970
RE: Plato [574 words]BilalSep 9, 2009 05:02160970
Our dear so called Bilal who lives among infidels [145 words]dhimmi no moreSep 9, 2009 07:24160970
The answer is simple, Plato!! [25 words]JaladhiSep 9, 2009 10:32160970
RE: dhimmi no more [141 words]BilalSep 9, 2009 22:24160970
brain chemistry/hormonal imbalance [231 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 9, 2009 23:04160970
Bilal: More about kaffirs being natural liars, war being deceit, sharia etc [3917 words]PlatoSep 10, 2009 08:12160970
2In memory of the victims of the 9/11 atrocity [742 words]dhimmi no moreSep 11, 2009 07:08160970
In memory of the victims of Islamo-fascism [273 words]dhimmi no moreSep 11, 2009 07:40160970
Arabian imperialism and its vicitms [228 words]dhimmi no moreSep 11, 2009 17:02160970
RE: Plato [886 words]BilalSep 13, 2009 13:18160970
Bilal' exposed [659 words]true believerSep 14, 2009 05:26160970
Kudos to Bilal [179 words]nisar Ahmed indiaSep 14, 2009 06:00160970
RE: dhimmi no more [633 words]BilalSep 14, 2009 07:39160970
wakey, wakey [758 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 14, 2009 17:58160970
Our dear Bilal al-tablighee knows no Arabic inspite of the fact that the Qur'an says that Islam is the religion of the arabs only [873 words]dhimmi no moreSep 15, 2009 07:30160970
Bilal: Standard Muslim reply. If you don't like what Muslims do claim they are not Muslim [3017 words]PlatoSep 16, 2009 00:04160970
Nisar Ahmed: Muhammad is accredited by the "so called Holy Bible". [497 words]PlatoSep 16, 2009 00:57160970
Our dear Bilal and more sordid matters [637 words]dhimmi no moreSep 16, 2009 07:12160970
And here are my links [70 words]dhimmi no moreSep 16, 2009 07:23160970
RE: dhimmi no more [356 words]BilalSep 16, 2009 08:53160970
Hello Dhimmi: Give Bilal a translation of the Last Sermon from the original [93 words]PlatoSep 16, 2009 22:16160970
Dear Bilal(story from an islamic society) [1476 words]Munkir-e-koranSep 17, 2009 11:30160970
Muhammad's last sermon is very much anachronistic [456 words]dhimmi no moreSep 17, 2009 19:54160970
1Our dear Bilal the wannabe arab and speaking of psychiatrists [445 words]dhimmi no moreSep 17, 2009 20:21160970
Coward ranting under the cover of anonymity [327 words]true believerSep 18, 2009 06:38160970
RE: Plato [28 words]BilalSep 18, 2009 11:59160970
Dear Nisar, Did Jesus disgrace women more then .... [105 words]out of this worldSep 19, 2009 04:10160970
The correct link re: the perverse sexual habits of the prophet! What a fadiha or scandal [45 words]dhimmi no moreSep 19, 2009 07:52160970
Muhammad's so called last sermon and the hidden hands of the persians in shaping islam the religion of the Arabs [515 words]dhimmi no moreSep 19, 2009 09:06160970
dhimmi no more: Hope Bilal reads this [21 words]PlatoSep 19, 2009 23:31160970
Bilal: Thank you informing us that Muslims are exclusive club (cult?) [249 words]PlatoSep 19, 2009 23:43160970
Our dear Bilal the salafi and the jihadi and his little gem [69 words]dhimmi no moreSep 20, 2009 07:39160970
Bilal's profile is the same as that of Salah Ali [250 words]dhimmi no moreSep 20, 2009 14:38160970
Hello dhimmi [46 words]SimonSep 20, 2009 15:09160970
RE: [43 words]BilalSep 20, 2009 16:10160970
RE: Pretend Paki [75 words]BilalSep 20, 2009 16:21160970
RE: always a dhimmi [128 words]BilalSep 21, 2009 19:11160970
Re:Bilal's profile is the same as that of Salah Ali [156 words]true believerSep 22, 2009 04:12160970
RE:RE: Pretend Pak [57 words]true believerSep 22, 2009 04:46160970
the word al-shari3a [369 words]dhimmi no moreSep 22, 2009 07:59160970
Dear Bilal [359 words]munkir-e-koranSep 22, 2009 12:30160970
pie in the sky piety [86 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 23, 2009 22:45160970
RE: true wanker [57 words]BilalSep 24, 2009 06:45160970
RE: true wanker [157 words]BilalSep 24, 2009 07:03160970
Our dear Bilal and more evidence that the so called last sermon is anachronistic and it is from his own words [421 words]dhimmi no moreSep 24, 2009 07:14160970
AI! Bilal... [120 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 07:03160970
The profile of our dear Bilal the jihadi [414 words]dhimmi no moreSep 25, 2009 07:41160970
muslima [31 words]true believerSep 25, 2009 07:48160970
bilall [280 words]true believerSep 25, 2009 08:42160970
Ah, so now the truth is revealed [28 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 09:06160970
His words will condemn him [68 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 09:12160970
The more you talk the more you incriminate yourself [77 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 25, 2009 10:13160970
RE: A true incestuous kaafir [38 words]BilalSep 25, 2009 17:22160970
RE: Plato by Bilal [389 words]Emmanuel Etchells-AyreSep 25, 2009 18:43160970
RE: Article by Bilal [173 words]Emmanuel Etchells-AyreSep 25, 2009 18:56160970
Cherry picking time and our dear Bilal al-jihadi [115 words]dhimmi no moreSep 26, 2009 18:11160970
Cherry picking time and our dear Bilal al-jihadi part deux [133 words]dhimmi no moreSep 26, 2009 20:12160970
Dhimmi [18 words]SvetSep 27, 2009 02:21160970
truly hypocrite [165 words]true believerSep 29, 2009 04:02160970
Thank you [39 words]dhimmi no moreSep 29, 2009 07:52160970
dhimmi no more: You are always interesting to read [45 words]PlatoSep 29, 2009 10:03160970
Aye Dhimmi No More [32 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 22:47160970
I agree with Plato but dhimmi knows this [13 words]SimonOct 3, 2009 14:18160970
dhimmi no more: your help needed once again [121 words]PlatoOct 8, 2009 02:53160970
Q30:21 [231 words]dhimmi no moreOct 9, 2009 07:29160970
Great help [96 words]PlatoOct 12, 2009 02:08160970
Yusuf Ali's translation is a poor translation [617 words]dhimmi no moreOct 13, 2009 20:47160970
Hi Plato: you must check this one out and: Breast feeding of the adult [122 words]dhimmi no moreNov 1, 2009 08:23160970
dhimmi no more: Embarrassing to Muslims [19 words]PlatoNov 5, 2009 02:54160970
yusuf ali - etc [201 words]abz2000.comAug 30, 2010 18:39160970
1If you do not know any Arabic then stop it [649 words]dhimmi no moreSep 4, 2010 08:37160970
DHIMMI? [7 words]VIRENDERMay 12, 2011 11:52160970
4Thank you [45 words]dhimmi no moreMay 13, 2011 14:06160970
Thank you for this sentence [88 words]PrashantMay 14, 2011 01:23160970
Objectification [153 words]huckSep 2, 2009 10:59160968
Burqa or Bikini [408 words]IftikharSep 2, 2009 07:49160962
1Iftikhar: Read what happens to burqa clad women in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia [2001 words]PlatoSep 3, 2009 04:09160962
not banning the burkha is an insult to the people Islamists pretend to integrate with [1598 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 3, 2009 07:17160962
Reasons??? [113 words]JeffSep 3, 2009 11:51160962
Iftikhar's comments [270 words]portuguesamericanoSep 3, 2009 16:04160962
Islamophobia [393 words]emirSep 7, 2009 05:26160962
Read what happens to burqa clad women in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia [155 words]nisar khan(india)Sep 14, 2009 02:19160962
Truth About Source of Islamophobia [432 words]M. ToveySep 15, 2009 12:26160962
Nisar Khan: You are Indian. Remember the Imrana rape case when you reply. [359 words]PlatoSep 16, 2009 00:45160962
Source of the "Truth about source of Islamophobia" [387 words]EmirSep 16, 2009 08:56160962
....there may be many things that one can criticize about Muslims ..... [774 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 16, 2009 17:41160962
Plato ,Dhimmi Exposed [481 words]Nisar,BilalSep 17, 2009 06:58160962
Extremist Zionism vs Extremist Islamism [703 words]M. ToveySep 17, 2009 11:43160962
You do the same things. Only .. [45 words]true believerSep 18, 2009 04:42160962
Emir: Read about the 'ethical demands' of Islam [1196 words]PlatoSep 19, 2009 05:08160962
Nisar, Bilal: As defenders of Islam you can you do better than refer me to Zakir Naik [2439 words]PlatoSep 20, 2009 03:46160962
Oh another wannabe arab [153 words]dhimmi no moreSep 20, 2009 14:47160962
Islamophobia? really? [624 words]dhimmi no moreSep 20, 2009 17:53160962
The Need for a Sinful Humanity to Repent in Jesus Christ Exposed [889 words]M. ToveySep 22, 2009 12:51160962
dhimmi no more [328 words]ameer_r2Sep 22, 2009 23:30160962
harmony? [790 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 24, 2009 00:31160962
agree and disagree [414 words]mingocatSep 24, 2009 11:15160962
to Grand Kafir [655 words]Ameer_r2Sep 25, 2009 11:28160962
you can prove just about anything w statistics [1525 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 25, 2009 22:09160962
Our dear Emir and the source behind the source [612 words]dhimmi no moreSep 26, 2009 09:37160962
There is such thing as reasonable Muslims? Really? [179 words]dhimmi no moreSep 26, 2009 09:52160962
the grandiose Grand Infidel of Kafiristan [151 words]ameer_r2Sep 27, 2009 17:30160962
bon voyage [351 words]the Grand Infidel of KafiristanSep 27, 2009 23:15160962
Allah and smoking and other sodid matters [495 words]dhimmi no moreSep 28, 2009 07:17160962
I think I hear G-D Laughing [295 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 02:31160962
NAIK?? A most unfornate choice of names [500 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 04:09160962
Here we go again alas [124 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 04:36160962
The self professed son of an apostate speaks [117 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 04:50160962
If you really want peace [98 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 05:07160962
Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemi - In the Name of the Eternal, Those of Us Who Follow Him Do so Out of His Love - In Obedience to HIM [180 words]M. ToveySep 29, 2009 19:18160962
I apologise to you Mr. tovey [990 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiOct 1, 2009 01:24160962
Accepted [160 words]M. ToveyOct 6, 2009 19:46160962
Has somebody analyzed the facts here? [100 words]Faisal A. KhanOct 15, 2009 04:02160962
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When will we have peace? [50 words]Seamus Dafydd Dives MacNemiSep 29, 2009 05:33160959

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Mark my comment as a response to Amina: Islam is politics and politics is Islam and never the twain shall part by Plato

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