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Submitted by kamekish (India), Jul 6, 2008 at 02:44

It is surprising to see that Marc Sageman can write a book, which can be published by one of the University press of United States and has such gross mistakes. Based on the figures of arrest of 2,300 for Europe and 60 for USA, all the analysis and writings go irrelevant.

Thanks to Daniel for bringing us the correct perspectives.

I fully agree on the views of Daniel that socio-economic improvements are unlikely to solve Europe's problems. I would like to stretch this discussion little further. Socio-economic development of any community is not going to solve the problems of violence and terrorism in the country. That's how Pakistan enhances their cross boarder terrorisms in India after getting American dollars for fighting Bin-Laden. Palestine increases their terrorist's activities after receiving aids from foreign funds.

Violence is an integral part of human personality. This has nothing to do with the economics. Violence will go on till the time people have different lifestyle, culture and assets.

Violence can be managed and minimized through proper education and unlearning our basic fighting instincts.

Any community not concerned with educating their children for modernity are going to fall prey to violence and terrorism. Modernity must be learned only after unlearning conservativeness or traditions. That's how I always talk about unlearning before learning. People have to unlearn things before they opt to learn even good things.

When I talk about unlearning conservativeness and traditions, I refer to even ideologies like Islamist or communist or fascists. Any amount of education also not going to improve the violent mentality of individual till they detach from old, failed and conservative ideologies.

Even Sageman's analysis, "Europe growing Muslim culture of alienation, marginalisation and jihads isn't taking root in US" may be unrealistic and untrue. Muslims or for that matter any community will remain alienated, marginalized and jihadis till the time they integrate themselves with modern tools like global language, global culture and globalisation.

Governments whether in Europe or USA have to come out with such polices to integrate alienated groups. Action like banning Burqua, saris or pagdis etc. must be initiated and implemented for the homogeneous growth of society.

Daniel covered it earlier at http://www.danielpipes.org/article/4783 or that sweet reply from an Indian from Pune http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/105545

Future of humanity lies on these steps taken by visionary leaders of the world irrespective of their associations with the party or the nation. I am happy that Dutch government took such steps earlier, which I wrote in my blog. http://kamekish.sulekha.com/blog/post/2006/11/dutch-going-to-unlearn-burqua.htm

What happened in France is the need of the hour to ensure that illiterate and conservative communities come in the main stream. France banned hijab (headscarves), Pagdies and now beard. Even Punjabis from India objected these moves but such banning are required for the future of humanity. Thousands of people opposed these move across world http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/headscarves/signatures-3.html but governments and policy makers must be firm.

India as democratic nation may not have power and courage to take these revolutionary steps at the doomed future of common people, but the powerful country like USA, European nations and Arab nations must take initiatives to modernise humanity. They must come out with modern outfits, modern lifestyles and educations, which governs 21st century.

In India, we are not having these analysis because of lack of data either from our universities or other government institutions. So there is no tradition of any such analysis among Indians. People are still busy in writing and getting published their own autobiographies like L K Advani (My Country My Life), Jaswant Singh (A Call to Honour), P Chidambram (A View From The Outside: Why Good Economics Works For Everyone) etc. or biographies like Sunil Dutt written by his daughters (In loving memory of Sunil and Nargis). Now even 30 years old Aishwarya Rai is thinking of writing her autobiography.

Indian writers and publishers are just ignorant about ideas, analysis or future discussions. I am, privileged to read these analyses at www.daielpipes.org Thank you Daniel and other Americans who contribute for these data and analysis.

Today, I feel that it is irrelevant to talk about which has more Islamist terrorism Europe or America. In the age of Leaderless Jihad, terrorists from Boston or Montreal are blasting cycle bombs at Jaipur. Governments of the powerful nations including United Nations have to take initiatives to curb these menace of humanity.

Thanks Daniel for providing me opportunities to speak out the truth for the betterment of humanity.


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serbia [73 words]maheshSep 15, 2008 12:53
21 Bomb Blasts in 48 Hrs! Does this answer the question ? [42 words]Proud IndianJul 29, 2008 05:38
Europe's vulnerability [170 words]Stephen BererJul 24, 2008 18:34
What a Question [385 words]Civiltheory NetworkJul 15, 2008 20:08
us socio economy [22 words]julianiJul 10, 2008 22:07
Who got hit on 9/11 and the "enemy of my enemy" [282 words]jennifer solisJul 10, 2008 18:32
Jennifer: "Muslim's "identity" in the U.S. is much different from that in Europe." [116 words]IamJosephJul 13, 2008 00:58
Numbers don't matter - even one Islamic terrorist is too many in any country!!! [57 words]JaladhiJul 7, 2008 12:54
Sifting through the dross [214 words]Rebecca MouldsJul 7, 2008 08:48
Why not India - India has had historically most islamic terrorism [57 words]SinghaJul 6, 2008 23:50
INDIA LOST THE MOST - AFTER BEING THE MOST GENEROUS TO MUSLIMS. [135 words]IamJosephJul 7, 2008 22:39
India must be more brave and not seccumb to Oil Blackmail. [156 words]IamJosephJul 11, 2008 06:49
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Freak militancy [100 words]chanakyaAug 1, 2008 03:05
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WE NEED AN ISLAMIC CONFERENCE IN SYDNEY URGENTLY [611 words]Gabrielle (Australian)Jul 11, 2008 03:28
Gabrielle, you don't need a conference [101 words]InfidelJul 11, 2008 20:54
truth for all [5 words]Larry B.Jul 16, 2008 01:11
Muslim cleric and Muslim attorney advocate murder and rape to BBC [216 words]ErwinJul 6, 2008 06:42
pampering [208 words]dfwhite19438Jul 8, 2008 20:42
Undercover Mosque videos: undercover reporter from UK [136 words]ErwinJul 10, 2008 06:34
⇒ Terrorism has no boundary [738 words]kamekishJul 6, 2008 02:44
ITS THE REGIMES AND THEIR APPOINTED CLERICS AND MEDIA. [73 words]IamJosephJul 5, 2008 20:36
please someone can you give me the links between Bush Family and Saudi Royal Family business ventures [584 words]Gabby (australian)Jul 9, 2008 08:21
The Bush-US Failure on the War on Terrorism? [656 words]IamJosephJul 9, 2008 21:42
you ask a lot of ?s [391 words]dfwhite19438Jul 12, 2008 02:26
Soapbox resumed -- halt Muslim immigration [178 words]Linda KorrowJul 5, 2008 15:16
Islam is a true faith. It cant therefore be edited like others which were put together by men. [259 words]EdwardJul 9, 2008 02:15
Muslims can practice their faith to the extent it doesn't violate the US Constitution and laws [103 words]Linda KorrowJul 9, 2008 16:10
Dear Linda, muslims havent violated any part of the constitution by wearing Niqarb [340 words]EdwardJul 10, 2008 01:56
Halt Muslim immigration [214 words]JaladhiJul 10, 2008 16:18
Edward, the world belongs to Islam [125 words]InfidelJul 11, 2008 21:48
Islam in America [638 words]Linda KorrowJul 12, 2008 12:11
Greener pastures in America [109 words]Linda KorrowJul 12, 2008 12:19
You are spot on, linda [867 words]EdwardJul 14, 2008 01:32
lets mean sense here infidel [90 words]EdwardJul 14, 2008 01:37
True Sense Here Means That Even by Terror, the World Does Not Become Entirely Islamic-Faith in Jesus Christ Sees to That [688 words]M. ToveyJul 18, 2008 14:13
Islam appears inconsistent with the US Constitution [989 words]Linda KorrowJul 19, 2008 22:16
Am I Crazy? [182 words]ZebaduMay 5, 2009 23:05
Send them Home [209 words]Linda KorrowMay 6, 2009 21:29
Only when it is too late [179 words]ZebaduMay 9, 2009 17:51
Keep up the good fight [2804 words]Linda KorrowMay 9, 2009 21:54
MOMENTUM [516 words]Geno M.Jul 5, 2008 12:26
what happens to muslims in the torture of Muhammad's grave [52 words]JoeJul 5, 2008 10:23
Fascinating reading on how to overcome fear of violent death! [203 words]Tati ChawlaJul 8, 2008 23:17
Brilliant Inimitable Analysis by Dr. Pipes. Indian Experience substantiates Dr. Pipes Analysis. [140 words]SinghaJul 5, 2008 01:13
Jordan sentences 12 Europeans on charge of Heresy [156 words]IamJosephJul 4, 2008 22:18
Lies, damn lies and statistics [19 words]Jim Wallis, Jr.Jul 4, 2008 20:09
Key point [202 words]DevasahayamJul 3, 2008 20:11
learning from history [205 words]G.VishvasJul 3, 2008 13:17
You want a decisive study [107 words]DevasahayamJul 7, 2008 10:42
G Vishvas, there is no need for that study [301 words]EdwardJul 10, 2008 02:31
replying to Edward [256 words]G.VishvasJul 16, 2008 04:34
Worsening [136 words]YnnatchkahJul 3, 2008 09:53
Intigration of Muslims - that includes by default integration of terrorist right? [143 words]David MacKAYJul 3, 2008 19:05
Correct -- It's less about poverty than about identity with Islam's radical interpretation. [276 words]anonJul 3, 2008 07:11
Congratulations [15 words]Prof. Paul EidelbergJul 3, 2008 05:41
Why bother? [76 words]W.W. CorriganJul 3, 2008 05:29
Terrorist arrests [109 words]Donald W. BalesJul 2, 2008 19:51
Statistically who has more Islamist Terrorism, the EU or the USA? [212 words]David MacKAYJul 2, 2008 19:39
Which Has More Islamist Terrorism, Europe or America? [97 words]TaylorJul 2, 2008 19:17
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Islam practioners [35 words]Steven LJul 2, 2008 18:36
Backed up by history [111 words]DevasahayamJul 7, 2008 11:04
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Mainstream Islam in America: 'Radical, Hate America Driven Agenda.' [130 words]William BryanJul 5, 2008 11:52
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hyman peskin, Canada needs more Muslims [189 words]InfidelJul 7, 2008 16:16
The 2nd Amendment [59 words]dfwhite19438Jul 2, 2008 17:13
How do you decide who to fire at? [64 words]Anne JulienneJul 2, 2008 20:37
Europe's Appeasement Leads To Islamic Wrath. [222 words]Clarence PuckettJul 3, 2008 01:03
Anne, how do we decide who to fire at? [80 words]KlewJul 3, 2008 18:57
Klew, the only way that would work ... [139 words]Anne JulienneJul 3, 2008 22:59
To a degree! [177 words]dfwhite19438Jul 4, 2008 02:40
Armed citizenry will not discourage Muslims in their quest for Islamization of USA!!! [319 words]JaladhiJul 4, 2008 14:06
Anne Julienne, avoiding self protection [104 words]InfidelJul 4, 2008 21:09
Pym Fortuyn and Geert Wilders might be alive today if Europeans enjoyed concealed carry rights [112 words]SullyJul 4, 2008 23:53
YOU MAY BE CORRECT... [64 words]DONVANJul 7, 2008 12:54
Infidel, regarding sep11 [144 words]Anne JulienneJul 7, 2008 17:45
Infidel- The threat of terrorism. [70 words]hyman peskinJul 7, 2008 19:25
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Anne Julienne has all the answers [288 words]InfidelJul 8, 2008 17:23
hyman peskin, threat of crime [61 words]InfidelJul 8, 2008 20:15
Infidel, nothing I say ... [193 words]Anne JulienneJul 8, 2008 21:54

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