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Our dear Susan who needs to read a real book and female circumcision and islam

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Apr 11, 2008 at 07:39

Our dear Susan who ain't no Susan wrote

>1. Female genital mutilation is not islamic in origin!

Correct and so is the male variety. As a matter of fact a Libyan judge by the name of Mustafa Kamal al-Mahdawi published a book and argued that circumcision was "a Jewish custom orginating in ancient superstitions of the Israelites and it deserved no standing in islam." (see Golalher page 52). It makes lots of sense. And as excepted it was followed by a fatwa that was issued in 1992 by the sheikh of the grand Mosque in Medina against Judge Mustafa. So much for free thinking in Islam.

>There are no Quran verses that suppport this act.

Correct. But our dear Susan seems to be unaware or may be ignorant about the fact that the Qur'an is also silent about male genital mutilation aka circumcision. How come you did not know that our dear susan?

>There is no Sahih Hadith(which means the true sayings of the prophet Muhammad) to support it either.

ROTFL Pakistani Arabic No it is called hadith sahih and the plural is ahadith sahiha may be you need to stick to Urdu our dear Susan who ain't no Susan

As a matter fo fact sheikh al-Azhar in 1981 told parents in Egypt to ignore the anti-female circumcision opinions of doctors and he quoted a famous hadith where Abul Qasim aka Muhammad the caravan raider and Arabian warlord had a chat with an Um Habiba: "who was reputedly a circumciser of female slaves. Upon encountering her Mohammad asked Um Habiba whether she continued to practice her profession. She said that she did but that she would give up if the prophet disapproved far from objecting he not only told her it was allowed he also demonstrated the correct way to do the operation and he said: "come closer so I can teach you." and in another version he said: "if you cut do not overdo it because it brings more radiance to the face and is more pleasant to the husband." elsewhere mohamad is supposed to have recommended circumcision as a sunna for men and a makruma for women. he also said: "if both circumcised parts meet or if they touch each other it is necessary to wash before prayer. (see Gollaher Circumcision page 192-193) et voila it is all in black and white our dear Susan who ain't no Susan

Do you know what this means?

1. It means that your Arabic is poor and Islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs and you ain't no Arab

2. Muhammad was able to perform female circumcision

3. There were females in Mecca that can and were performing FGM

4. There were slaves in Mecca

5. Muhammad described FGM as makruma

6. You our dear Susan need to read a real book

More damaging to your case is that if you read Karen Armstrong, the wannabe historian and the darling of Muslims, her poor work: "Muhammad" you will find that on page 12 she admits that one of the schools of Islamic law (and the poor historian that she is) she never identifies the name of the school, but she says that such school believes that FMG is ineed a practice that must be performed.

How come you di not know that?

>This is a practice mainly in Africa never done in Mecca in Saudia Arabia where islam originated(which means it is not an Islamic act)!!!

Bogus. It is either we have to believe you or believe the grand Sheikh of al-Azhar and you ain't the sheikh of al-Azhar our dear Susan

And like I said: you are here defending the imperialism and the culture of the arabs and you ain't no Arab...

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