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Moslems, you, and taqiyya and kitman.

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Submitted by Jatha Cubu (Nigeria), Feb 5, 2008 at 09:30

Dear Pipes,

Thank you for the response to my posting.

I appreciate your optimism. However, your idea that we have to wait till enough is enough is not comforting. Remember you are an opinion molder because of your status. And remember also they are brains behind the the planned spread of islam. Individuals, groups, governments and , believe or not, spiritual forces are involved. Brainy beings. In the West, Asia, Africa,... the materialists, liberal and ecumincal christians, cultural pluralists, athiests, tolarentists, undiscerning politicians(see Nigeria), racists, demogagues, the greedy, the poor, the ignorant,... are really working for the islamists though unwittingly. If we wait util we are pushed to a corner to react, it will be sucidal, too late, and maybe impossible for us to react because of their new plans. But why do we have to wait until things get worse, and possibly impossible to correct? When it can be done cheaper, and easier now. We should be acting irresponsibly for next generations, and they may not forgive us when they know that we saw it coming and allowed it to come. When you know your house is going to catch fire, what do you do?

God is on our side, yes. But the history of the Israelis tell us he does not make up for our, or save us from willful seldestruction which is what our not reacting now amounts to. When the time comes, he will allow us to burn in our juices as the history of the Jews, and the experiences of Nigerians who now don't act show.

When the islamists takeover our security, education, economy,... our technology becomes their techology because then they will be in control. And no amount of bravery can save a defenseless dhimmis in the hands of armed dhmmists.

The new plan is: get moslems into the highest positions, let them take over, or at least, dominate the security. Take what happened in Maiduguri, Borno State,Nigerian recently. Moslems planned a "peaceful" demonstration on a Saturday. But the demonstration was a trick. While some were going to the venue, others were sent to kill non-moslems, loot and burn their houses and shops, burn churches, and so on. But the other aspect, a significant one, Pipes, was the moslem commission of police did not permit police to go on duty that day! Meanwhile the governor of Borno State went to the streets throwing money at the killers( Jihadist).The same thing happened in Kano city Nigeria where repeated intervention by mobile police, and solders were stopped untill moslems had their fill of killing non-moslems and burning their bodies in what looked like an earthly hell while some moslem organisations were beating drums, singing, and dancing. The sight was so moving that a fellowing dhimmi in my car while were being rescued tearfully asked, "Is there God in Kano?" Although that of Kano was one of the worst of its kind, it was never reported, and charred bodies and burnt vehicles were picked off and hid before dawn! What a plan! I was an eye witness to those two, Pipes. It's not hearsay. But in Jos, Nigeria, moslems dressed like soldiers, and used combat weapons to kill defenseless non-moslems.

You see why CAIR is getting deeper into the U.S. government, and security. It's part of the strategy.

The moslems will deny that those who killed are moslems, yet all the plans are carried out in mosques with approval and advocacy of emirs and moslem governors, and organisations. Of course denials, lies, and all kills of infernal tricks are part of islamic doctrines of taqiyya, and kitman.

So, Dr Pipes, if you saw what I saw, you would hardly hesitate to support those who say we should ask all moslems both indigenous and foreign residents among us to leave now, and stop granting visa to any forthwith. It certainly looks harsh, but this is nothing compared with what we shall by and by face if we don't act now.

Some of us think there are moslems who do not like, or believe islam isn't true, but still remain a moslem. Therefore they do not approve of what serious moslems do. Yes, there are a few people who will renounce islam any time they can leave islamic states. They keep hoping that the opportunity will come meanwhile they remain moslems and sometimes join the serious moslems in doing what the religion demands. For most, that day never comes. An example: a moslem lady took some articles from www.faihfreedom.org to her imam and expected him to explain and condemn, Ali Sani, the writer of the articles. To her astonishment, the imama told her Ali is right, and he knew this all along. He then advised, " Woman, run, run! while you are still young! For me it is too late. I am too old with so much responsibilities to leave." she left islam. However, those who remain moslems after coming to America, going to Europe, or going to other freer societies believe islam is true, and they only require some pressure from the serious ones to behave like them. When the chips are down, they will join the jihad. Whether a man should remain in error when he knows it is another thing. Therefore, there is nothing like a moderate, or even an educated moslem. They may as well be practicing taqiyya and kitman simply waiting for the right time. Or they want to be candidates for stategic postions among us infidels as part of the overall islamisation.

For readers not familiar with kitman and taqiyya read the definations given below by Jihad Watch's own Hugh Fitzgerald

"Taqiyya" is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in Shi'a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi'a as well, of deliberate dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is "kitman," which is defined as "mental reservation." An example of "Taqiyya" would be the insistence of a Muslim apologist that "of course" there is freedom of conscience in Islam, and then quoting that Qur'anic verse -- "There shall be no compulsion in religion." {2:256} But the impression given will be false, for there has been no mention of the Muslim doctrine of abrogation, or naskh, whereby such an early verse as that about "no compulsion in religion" has been cancelled out by later, far more intolerant and malevolent verses. In any case, history shows that within Islam there is, and always has been, "compulsion in religion" for Muslims, and for non-Muslims.

"Kitman" is close to "taqiyya," but rather than outright dissimulation, it consists in telling only a part of the truth, with "mental reservation" justifying the omission of the rest. One example may suffice. When a Muslim maintains that "jihad" really means "a spiritual struggle," and fails to add that this definition is a recent one in Islam (little more than a century old), he misleads by holding back, and is practicing "kitman." When he adduces, in support of this doubtful proposition, the hadith in which Muhammad, returning home from one of his many battles, is reported to have said (as known from a chain of transmitters, or isnad), that he had returned from "the Lesser Jihad to the Greater Jihad" and does not add what he also knows to be true, that this is a "weak" hadith, regarded by the most-respected muhaddithin as of doubtful authenticity, he is further practicing "kitman."

For aspects of taqiyya and kitman as it relates to women, please read Confessions of a Former Islamist Ahmed Shalakamy 2005/05/21 at www.faithfreedom.org, click leaving Islam to access it.

Lets act now or it may be too late.

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