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Churches in Saudi Arabia?
by Daniel Pipes March 18, 2008
updated Mar 24, 2008
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2008/03/churches-in-saudi-arabia
For some years now, the Vatican has made reciprocity the key to its relations with Muslim-majority states. For example, Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran , the Vatican equivalent of foreign minister, commented in 2003 that "There are too many majority Muslim countries where non-Muslims are second-class citizens" and pushed for reciprocity: "Just as Muslims can build their houses of prayer anywhere in the world, the faithful of other religions should be able to do so as well."
That sounded good, but does anyone actually expect churches to be built in Saudi Arabia, the country that most severely represses non-Islamic religious expression ?
Yes, come the surprise announcements. Archbishop Paul-Mounged El-Hashem , the papal nuncio to Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen, says that "Discussions are under way to allow the construction of churches in the kingdom. … There are around three or four million Christians in Saudi Arabia, and we hope they will have churches." Father Federico Lombardi , the pope's spokesman, adds: "If we manage to obtain authorisation for the construction of the first church, it will be an outcome of historic dimensions."
"Our Lady of the Rosary," Qatar's first Christian church, lacks cross, bell steeple, and signage.
This development comes in the context of (1) the opening on March 14 of
Our Lady of the Rosary in Doha, Qatar, making Saudi Arabia now unique in banning churches and overt Christian worship and (2) the move toward establishing diplomatic relations between the Vatian and Riyadh, as symbolized by King Abdullah's first-ever visit by a Saudi monarch to visit the Vatican in November 2007. The Apostolic Vicar for Arabia, Bishop
Paul Hinder , finds that the Saudi "climate" has improved since that encounter.
Incidentally, Qatar's deputy prime minister, Abdullah bin Hamad al-Attiyah, directly addressing the topic of reciprocity: "We [Muslims] are enjoying the construction of mosques and Islamic centres in the west, so we must be fair [to Christians]."
Comment : Should even a single church open in Saudi Arabia, no matter how restricted, hidden, and threatened in, it will be truly significant step, a tribute to both the Vatican's new, tougher policy and to King Abdullah's reform efforts. (March 18, 2008)
Mar. 20, 2008 update : If Anwar Ashiqi , identified as president of something called the "Saudi Centre for Middle East Strategic Studies," has his way, there won't be a church anytime soon in Saudi Arabia. He explained in an interview on Al-Arabiya television today:
I have taken part in several meetings related to Islamic-Christian dialogue and there have been negotiations on this issue. It would be possible to launch official negotiations to construct a church in Saudi Arabia only after the Pope and all the Christian churches recognise the prophet Mohammed. If they don't recognise him as a prophet, how can we have a church in the Saudi kingdom?
Brilliant question – wonder why I had not thought of it myself.
Another negative Saudi reaction came from Abdelaziz al-Thinani, a member of the kingdom's Consultative Council, who rejected Paul-Mounged El-Hashem's statement (above) that "There are around three or four million Christians in Saudi Arabia." Thinani retorted that there are no Christian Saudis, all of whom are Muslims, and "Those few Christians [in the kingdom] do not reside in the country permanently, [but] they come and go." Further, he sees no connection between human rights and the construction of a church.
Comment : As I say, opening a single church in Saudi Arabia in any circumstances will be remarkable achievement.
Mar. 24, 2008 update : The Arabic-language e-newspaper Elaph reports today a poll of Qataris in which 60 percent endorse the church, 36 percent oppose it, and 4 don't know/have no opinion.
Related Topics: Anti-Christianism , Saudi Arabia
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Williame May 14, 2008 03:41 ↔ NEXT [85 words] sTs May 15, 2008 14:49 ↔ Dhimmi No More is Objective [114 words] jennifer solis May 19, 2008 03:19 ↔ Reply to Samer Sukhun [45 words] jennifer solis May 19, 2008 04:02 ↔ The Bible teaches Kill [9 words] sTs May 19, 2008 17:06 ↔ "Teaches Kill"; no, that's not it [133 words] jennifer solis May 19, 2008 19:23 ↔ Rubbish - try better [101 words] sTs May 20, 2008 16:27 ↔ You are the one with killing "on the brain" [97 words] jennifer solis May 20, 2008 23:37 ↔ Try for you? [145 words] Lynn May 21, 2008 10:34 ↔ don't throw stones on others [132 words] sTs May 22, 2008 02:17 ↔ Gone astray [144 words] sTs May 22, 2008 03:05 ↔ Now you are starting to get it. [170 words] Lynn May 24, 2008 08:35 ↔ Islam will prevail [128 words] sTs May 25, 2008 02:18 ↔ sTs and hadith [164 words] Claire May 25, 2008 05:39 ↔ Islam Doctrine [572 words] sTs May 26, 2008 02:40 ↔ Islam will not prevail. [89 words] Lynn May 26, 2008 11:44 ↔ No proof of a god's existence [343 words] Claire May 27, 2008 04:08 ↔ Islam cannot be stopped [106 words] sTs May 27, 2008 06:55 ↔ an Example [247 words] sTs May 28, 2008 06:50 ↔ Does pain prove magic?! [195 words] Claire Jun 3, 2008 03:20 ↔ nasal? [11 words] Gabrielle (Australia) Jun 23, 2008 11:48 ↔ Samer wake up [20 words] Gabby Jul 1, 2008 08:32 ↔ Comment about child marriage [110 words] Adem Sep 4, 2008 05:08 ↔ what nonsense [99 words] Terry Nov 15, 2008 19:16 ↔ Asking for reciprocity is not imposing our ideals. [54 words] Angel2 Feb 16, 2009 16:40 some clarifications from a moslem. [309 words]Houssam Mar 30, 2008 11:04 ↔ No crescent permitted in the West? [327 words] Archimedes2 Mar 31, 2008 17:24 ↔ Mosques in the US have Crescents and Adhan [367 words] John G. Spethman MD Mar 31, 2008 23:18 ↔ mosques and churches. [437 words] Houssam Apr 1, 2008 10:49 ↔ We are not ignorant of Sharia [1109 words] Archimedes2 Apr 1, 2008 21:45 ↔ Religious buildings [95 words] Claire Apr 2, 2008 21:22 ↔ You are ignorant of the facts [74 words] milford421 Apr 3, 2008 09:23 ↔ you are confusing things [393 words] Houssam Apr 3, 2008 17:25 ↔ 1 perhaps 2 comments [97 words] B. Williame Apr 10, 2008 05:35 ↔ and again [50 words] B. Williame Apr 10, 2008 05:43 ↔ examples [128 words] B. Williame Apr 10, 2008 05:55 ↔ living under shariah [76 words] Houssam Apr 11, 2008 17:34 ↔ thanks for the info [193 words] Houssam Apr 11, 2008 18:03 ↔ examples needed [36 words] Houssam Apr 11, 2008 18:06 ↔ bad examples [123 words] Houssam Apr 11, 2008 18:10 ↔ I think you are [276 words] Houssam Apr 11, 2008 18:26 ↔ Hope for Ijtihad [668 words] Archimedes2 Apr 12, 2008 22:53 ↔ thanks for the encouragement [257 words] Houssam Apr 14, 2008 09:24 ↔ Ok Houssam.. [66 words] Brian Apr 15, 2008 01:41 ↔ Who is asking for more? [269 words] Claire Apr 15, 2008 08:03 ↔ some personal experiences [788 words] B. Williame Apr 17, 2008 03:44 ↔ Nope, can't [205 words] B. Williame Apr 17, 2008 04:01 ↔ eh... [114 words] B. Williame Apr 17, 2008 04:07 ↔ To Claire [447 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 22, 2008 15:06 ↔ Samer Sukhun about::"To Claire" [167 words] B. Williame Apr 23, 2008 03:35 ↔ Saints and Holies [84 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 23, 2008 17:25 ↔ Respect to all prophet and Mary [224 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 23, 2008 17:52 ↔ Exceptional incidents [163 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 24, 2008 14:14 ↔ Got to help you out here [131 words] B. Williame Apr 25, 2008 11:11 ↔ 1 word [17 words] B. Williame Apr 25, 2008 11:13 ↔ definitely Political not religious. [50 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 25, 2008 18:17 ↔ No one is Holy not even the Prophets. only God [158 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 25, 2008 18:29 ↔ My views on religion [239 words] Claire Apr 26, 2008 01:08 ↔ The Prophets are real from God [126 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 26, 2008 19:07 ↔ "Truth" [204 words] Claire Apr 27, 2008 00:27 ↔ small dosage at a time. [166 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 27, 2008 23:01 ↔ religion [58 words] B. Williame Apr 28, 2008 10:14 ↔ Miracles [170 words] B. Williame Apr 28, 2008 10:19 ↔ Small doses of myth? [515 words] Claire Apr 29, 2008 03:47 ↔ Holy vs not holy [197 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 29, 2008 13:35 ↔ Politics not religion [127 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 29, 2008 13:51 ↔ The latter [384 words] B. Williame Apr 30, 2008 04:35 ↔ House of glass [372 words] B. Williame Apr 30, 2008 04:50 ↔ Myths versus reality [409 words] Samer Suhkun Apr 30, 2008 14:29 ↔ Difference in perspective [274 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 30, 2008 20:37 ↔ All prophets are pure [267 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 30, 2008 20:57 ↔ Is there a god? Does formal education matter? [201 words] Claire May 3, 2008 03:48 ↔ God does exist , here is the proof [545 words] Samer Sukhun May 3, 2008 20:57 ↔ Science explains much better than ancient writings [343 words] Claire May 5, 2008 05:28 ↔ you have your ideals and I have mine [3 words] Samer Sukhun May 5, 2008 16:47 ↔ Quran is not a scientific book, however... [374 words] Samer Sukhun May 6, 2008 13:08 ↔ Freedom and liberty are my ideals [236 words] Claire May 9, 2008 18:54 ↔ All the amazing religious books [368 words] Claire May 9, 2008 19:10 ↔ Messenger to every nation [165 words] sTs May 11, 2008 03:37 ↔ One version ONLY [41 words] sTs May 11, 2008 09:27 ↔ sTs and "prophets" [224 words] Claire May 25, 2008 05:20 ↔ sTs versions of Koran [44 words] Claire May 25, 2008 05:26 ↔ Translation is not Original [105 words] sTs May 27, 2008 07:01 ↔ All major sacred books are plagiarized [146 words] Claire Jun 3, 2008 03:13 ↔ Samer - your own reasoning means mahomet was not a prophet [133 words] Gabby (Australia) Jul 1, 2008 08:44 ↔ Slander will not gain you anything [27 words] sTs Jul 2, 2008 02:41 One thing I have always failed to understand ...... [30 words]Amin Riaz Mar 28, 2008 14:06 ↔ Amin Riaz, one word [19 words] Infidel Apr 3, 2008 15:22 ↔ Fed up... [81 words] Brian Apr 15, 2008 02:40 Seriously thinking on Anwar Ashiqi. [392 words]Ynnatchkah Mar 28, 2008 00:20 ↔ A great line, Ynnatchkah! [19 words] jennifer solis Mar 30, 2008 15:28 ↔ Mohammad is the last of God's prophets and messengers whether you like it or not [93 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 22, 2008 00:18 Dear Daniel Pipes [w/response] [25 words]jennifer solis Mar 27, 2008 17:48 ↔ jennifer solis, the irony of Anwar [199 words] Infidel Apr 3, 2008 16:14 ↔ re Brilliant [94 words] Gabrielle Apr 27, 2008 00:27 Mohammed - a Prophet? [58 words]David W. Lincoln Mar 27, 2008 17:45 Opening a single church in Saudi Arabia [125 words]Ynnatchkah Mar 27, 2008 02:05 ↔ Islam and critical thinking [212 words] Claire Apr 2, 2008 21:35 ↔ religious doctrine [123 words] B. Williame Apr 10, 2008 06:10 ↔ religious doctrine [247 words] Claire Apr 11, 2008 03:11 ↔ Guess we agree, Claire [196 words] B. Williame Apr 17, 2008 04:22 ↔ Making one's own faith [117 words] Claire Apr 21, 2008 14:39 ↔ Can't throw away the good with the bad. [360 words] B. Williame Apr 22, 2008 04:35 ↔ Islam can defend itself, no need for us to defend it [138 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 22, 2008 22:20 ↔ Congratulations Samer Sukhun [723 words] B. Williame Apr 24, 2008 03:51 ↔ Covered nun or barely dressed woman [91 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 24, 2008 14:44 ↔ Islam can defend itself, no need for us to defend it [276 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 24, 2008 17:12 ↔ Whose blood is spilled? [161 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 24, 2008 18:37 ↔ No need for the false [172 words] Claire Apr 26, 2008 00:55 ↔ Sad again. [109 words] B. Williame Apr 28, 2008 10:31 Ashiqi's typical muslim wickedness [154 words]G.Vishvas Mar 25, 2008 04:08 ↔ I agree, very good point, but I wonder - [60 words] jennifer solis Mar 25, 2008 19:49 ↔ are muslims sincere? [94 words] G.Vishvas Mar 27, 2008 00:09 ↔ Islam in India and the world [216 words] Claire Apr 3, 2008 23:06 Under ANY circumstances? [201 words]jennifer solis Mar 24, 2008 15:21 It is hard to argue with even limited success on this stunning development [76 words]Charles Martel Mar 24, 2008 14:39 ↔ Pope Benedict was not a member of the Wehrmacht [35 words] John G. Spethman MD Mar 31, 2008 23:24 ↔ If Pope does not insist on reciprocity it's a mistake [367 words] Claire Apr 3, 2008 23:51 Construction of churches in Saudi Arabia [69 words]Wojtek Mar 24, 2008 13:36 CHURCHES/SYNAGOGUES IN SAUDI ARABIA [84 words]RAFI Mar 24, 2008 12:25 Intellectually Dishonest Mr. Ashiqi [410 words]farid Mar 23, 2008 12:18 Church Architecture in a Muslim Land [70 words]Bill Mar 23, 2008 10:18 ↔ Reply to Gloria [181 words] Samer Sukhun Apr 20, 2008 10:26 Construct a church in Saudi Arabia... [77 words]M.D'Souza Mar 22, 2008 16:48 ↔ If it looks like a church!! [30 words] Harvey Levy Mar 23, 2008 02:13 when seeing is believing [127 words]Rebecca Moulds Mar 21, 2008 15:51 THE MARRIAGE OF ISLAM AND THE POPE. [7 words]marlene Mar 19, 2008 17:48 ↔ Would you kindly be more precise, Marlene? [11 words] Ynnatchkah Mar 19, 2008 21:31 churches and temples in Makkah [100 words]G.Vishvas Mar 19, 2008 11:26 Good News [3 words]Mark G Mar 19, 2008 10:12 Forget building a church -- I want to see them allow a synagogue to be built there [34 words]DrRJP Mar 19, 2008 09:59 ↔ No- No- DrRJP!!! [104 words] Ynnatchkah Mar 19, 2008 18:41 ↔ Of course, Ynnatchkah. A church in Saudi Arabia is as likely as a Mikva in Mecca. [42 words] DrRJP Mar 20, 2008 13:08 wow! [51 words]concerned Mar 19, 2008 06:06 Even this is good news [25 words]Straight_Talk_Luigi Mar 18, 2008 22:30 ↔ would be nice if saudis recognized the vatican? [31 words] milford421 Apr 3, 2008 09:27
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