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Reader comment on item: [Breivik and] Norway's Terrorism in Context

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jul 30, 2011 at 08:51

Thank you Dr. Pipes and very good reading

The way I see Breivik is he a nut case and he is no more than a manifestation of a very old phenomenon that is unique to montheism and it is what I call apocalyptic/messianic "revolts" and the myth that violence will lead to "unveiling" of the truth and the rise of the masses and war and this is indeed the same reason behind the 9/11 atrocity and that the likes of Mohamed Atta more likely than not was acting within this paradigm and that some how this mass killing of innocent human beings will lead to "unveiling" of the truth but again in the case of the US because we have laws and everyone realized that these 19 Muslim/Arabs were no more than criminals that happen to be Muslim and thank the Gods we had no mass killings of innocent Muslims that live among us and for sure deportation of Muslims but it also opened the flood gates for a real examination of islam and as a matter of fact I really cannot find in any source that he quoted that such source called for murder of muslims or to deport muslims as the Qur'an tells Muslims to kill kuffar and fight non Muslims and so are all those sordid shiokh al-islam that preach hate and jihad or to enslave non muslims as was suggested by el-shiekh el-hewini

Muslims had golden chance following the 9/11 atrocity to examine their own islamic doctrines that would support such atrocity and declare them as null and void but all we got was that these criminals could not be muslims or even more bizarre that it was the Jews that were responsible for this atrocity

And a lesson from history: if we examine the Jewish revolt of 115-117CE and yes i realize that the information we have about it is late and very tendentious but it was also an apocalyptic/messianic uprising that started in Cyrenia (Libya) and the aim of such uprising was that the Jewish people that lived in Egypt and Libya and Mesopotamia should move to the land of Isreal and abandon Hellenism. But the end result was very tragic and it was the end of the great hellenized Jewish communities that produced the likes of Philo in both Alexandria and in the Egyptian cora for a long period of time

So what is the way out? Not much and as long as we have monotheism and "my god is the one and your ain't the one" and the anti-reason monotheistic idea that it is all about polemics then we will have more of the same

There is no doubt that the world needs a new version of islam that is really open and tolerant but would this happen? I doubt it very much


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