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Submitted by guy leven-torres (agricola) (United Kingdom), Jun 19, 2007 at 05:41

Back in the days of black and white television I recall with much pleasure (gosh is ‘Guy' that old?), an advert advertised ‘R. Whites Lemonade' and portrayed a Britain wherein thousands of men sneaked downstairs every night to consume the favoured lemonade. The advert in fact, was brilliant and hilarious. There was no sex, nudity or any other of the modern paraphernalia associated with today's adverts.

The Worldwide Web is awash with ‘blogs' and ‘bloggers' most of whom, if not all use false names, many of which are deliberately designed to inspire visions of battle, revenge and other ‘knightly' virtues of the heroes of computerised virtual ‘Valhalla'. Names such as ‘Odin', ‘Black Nite', ‘White Avenger', ‘Web Knight', ‘Virtual Arthur' and many, many more. Sometimes it is hard not to laugh but is also inspires the thought, ‘what have these ‘individuals' of ‘‘Electronic Chivalry and Bold Deeds" got to hide?' The reality I often imagine, is probably some spotty ‘nonentity' with bottle glass spectacles and a physique like my aged dad's red trouser braces, sitting behind the screen and keyboard.

Why all the need for secrecy? What are they afraid of?

The truth is of course, that Cyber Space is full of strange people and the Web is a gift for the millions of eccentrics and nonentities out there with nothing to fill their otherwise vacuous lives. Many more feel the Web is a place that is safe from censorship but more importantly, allows people to speak in a way they would not in the physical company of others. This in itself raises questions as to the probity and accuracy of the individuals that write ‘blogs' and allows those they write against, to cast doubt upon their views and their reasons for stating them.

One can understand perhaps the need to retain secrecy of identity when attacking and criticising dangerous elements like a political elite in Communist China, or even a modern Russia that actively persecutes and prosecutes dissidents and does its level best to close down websites and blogs that oppose the said regime. Again one can understand the need to maintain privacy, if somebody is involved with sensitive work, has a high public profile, or a well known figure and wants to disseminate views on the quiet in order to oppose perhaps, members of his own political party or group. But the average ‘blogger' seems to me a nobody: an individual that until the age of the Internet would have been born, lived and died without anybody knowing. The advent of the Web allowed millions of such ‘nonentities' to enter the public consciousness, albeit for a while but the feeling remains. ‘what have these people to hide as ‘‘nobodies" and in fact who would be interested in knowing them anyway and their obviously dull existences?'

I am an ex soldier and still have a uniform in my wardrobe. On it is clearly labeled my name and rank, regimental insignia and colours, all denoting that I once, not so very long ago belonged to the British Army reserve infantry. This was no chocolate soldier Reserve either and the reality of war is now familiar, as many in Britain's famous Territorial Army have only so recently found out by serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. I even volunteered for this myself but due to medical problems for which I was originally discharged, this offer was not taken up, although I stated I was prepared to serve as a ‘medic' or in any capacity, in order to get back into uniform, serve my country and have some ‘fun'. War is not ‘fun' of course but it is exciting and dangerous and the blood does rise. I was also bloody angry at the actions of Islamists after 9/11. In short the warrior in me wanted a scrap and to be part of the action.

I also hate arrogance and the Islamists really tick me off with their vile boasts and actions! ... Even though I am very opposed to violence in the normal run of things, these blighters were harming women and kids and that really gets to me….

My dad was the same at the outbreak of World War II just like millions of others who wanted to do their ‘bit'. That was all I wanted to do after all. My Doctor had other ideas though, unfortunately telling me forthrightly, ‘No way Mr Leven-Torres!'

So I took up the pen instead of the SA80 and even if not as satisfying as serving in the Regiment I belonged to, it does have its moments, like when I received hundreds of e.mails supporting my open stance attacking Islamists and the European Union, on whom I have declared ‘Literary War'. I also get lots of highly abusive e.mails from those opposed to my cause and many even, from those one would have thought would have sided with me. Well that is war isn't it? And in such a situation one can find friends and allies in the strangest places. And strangely enough most of these came from people using their own names as writers and commentators. It told me a lot about the types that write on the web as ‘bloggers'.

In war it is vital that one knows who one's allies are. It is imperative that they are identified by the uniform they wear for two very basic reasons. Firstly it allows one to see clearly who is what and where and the numbers involved in any attack, that if it is to be successful must be well supported and led but more importantly, that the enemy to be grappled with, is able to see the hopefully, thoroughly intimidating masses of armed might facing them. It is also good for morale that most important ingredient of battle winners. An enemy faced by vast numbers of determined troops is a frightened and demoralised enemy. And there are records in history of enemies surrendering before a shot is fired in such circumstances.

There are also numerous examples of heavily outnumbered enemies refusing to surrender for the sake of the uniform and regimental pride. The pride in wearing a uniform openly identifying the wearer as a member of a group, anxious to go down fighting, come what may has inspired incredible feats of bravery over the years. This was in fact what inspired me to volunteer for battle duty once again, even if my well- meaning doctor disagreed. But I am here where people can see me doing my ‘bit' to rid the world of this awful scourge. I write under my own name and fall or stand by it on my own terms. That is being a soldier in the full face of my enemies, just like my ancestors before me and hopefully my descendants as well….

I do not write for fame but in the hope that others will join me and write openly under their own names, so that our enemies know who and what we stand for and so opposed, defeat them. I am Everyman one would hope. It was Everyman that defeated Hitler, the Kaiser and every other tin-pot totalitarian that threatened us in the not so distant past. There are hopefully billions of us out there….

The ideologues and sniffy condescending elites will sneer at us on the surface but in their quieter moments, they will perhaps ponder upon and fear us! We are the common people and if there is one thing they hate and fear, it is the masses of brave men and women organising in defence of all they hold dear. Those men and women need to wear the same ‘uniform' by using their real names not poseurs' ‘nom-de-plumes' with more to hide than truth can tell. Only by being in open view of the enemy can we seek to intimidate him, for while we skulk and crawl about in fear of ourselves and them we are playing into their hands, because that is what they want and need to win. They rely upon fear of suicide bombing and threatened prosecution and persecution. Let us stand up now and openly oppose them where they can see and tremble in fear. And do you know it works darned well too!

‘Secret Bloggers of the World Unite!' Or ‘The Grand Global Society of Secret Lemonade Drinkers'….. ‘Cliff Richard Secret Admirers' Club' or ‘I'm Really a Square ‘‘But Don't Tell Anybody Man" Secret Society"… ‘Secret Virtual Society of Body Mass Challenged Weight Trainers' or The Secret Society of, ‘I'm Really A Geek But Inside is A True Warrior Waiting To Get Out!'



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True Muslims dispraise osama bin laden [62 words]SamiaJan 22, 2010 22:34167744
Our dear Samia is issuing a fatwa against Osama Bin Laden! Read and laugh [163 words]dhimmi no moreJan 23, 2010 07:45167744
Janus-faced Edina Lekovich [172 words]Jaisingh ThakurJul 12, 2007 00:28103498
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Alice in Wonderland [494 words]guy leven-torres (agricola)Jun 10, 2007 04:5897310
The Left do not understand the difference of right from wrong [419 words]guy leven-torres (agricola)Jun 12, 2007 13:1097310
Secret Lemonade Drinkers Society [1431 words]guy leven-torres (agricola)Jun 19, 2007 05:4197310
The woman is only praising a former American ally.. [88 words]Demitrios Vasselius GeonisJun 9, 2007 16:4797144
RE: What are you saying? [203 words]DONG CHEEJun 12, 2007 17:0997144
Steve Emerson is a Hero [243 words]joeyindcJun 7, 2007 19:4096649
and the FBI is on the job... [43 words]Donald OJun 5, 2007 19:5896173
An Inconvenient Truth [166 words]PatJun 5, 2007 10:4896076
progress.... [92 words]DONVANJun 6, 2007 09:4296076
We are not in charge [190 words]PatJun 6, 2007 20:2996076
You are quite correct [63 words]devrockyJun 7, 2007 16:5196076
Michael Savage dislikes CAIR. [185 words]YnnatchkahJun 8, 2007 03:2296076
1RE: Donvan----Well said and accurate [69 words]Cheesman--DONG CHEEJun 9, 2007 22:1696076
RE: Pat is soooooooright [39 words]DONG CHEE, CheesmanJun 11, 2007 23:1596076
SHE DID NOT SEE IT! [27 words]MAMAMIA TONTERIYAJun 4, 2007 17:3696014
Good point [121 words]HarrakJun 5, 2007 21:5296014
The Farsi Farce Babbles On [305 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 4, 2007 01:3795940
Non-student Members of Muslim involved with MSA activites both on and off college campuses. [152 words]gJun 3, 2007 23:2495935
if they don't like what you are saying they say you are 1. a racist 2. mistaken [93 words]Phil GreendJun 3, 2007 22:1995930
Comments on Al-Talib and Jihad in America editorial by J. A. Khayran [223 words]Oscar NavarroJun 3, 2007 18:0095913
Bravo Emerson, but how far can you go digging! [142 words]HarrakJun 3, 2007 15:3795899
Understanding Real Intentions Behind Hidden Words [250 words]M. ToveyJun 2, 2007 19:3795826
1RE: Refusal to serve is a treasonous non option [152 words]SFC, Donald Cheesman, USArmyJun 3, 2007 23:1895826
Putting words in the mouth of the Prophet. [198 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 2, 2007 15:0195801
1RE: Reply to muddled/opiniated [115 words]Donald, DONG CHEEJun 3, 2007 17:4395801
Dear Mr. Chee [290 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 4, 2007 16:4995801
RE: I HATE WAR TOO---X- warrior [187 words]DONG CHEEJun 5, 2007 18:2995801
1In answer to Mr. Dong Chee [115 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 6, 2007 21:3695801
Muslims are different... [93 words]donvanJun 7, 2007 17:0595801
RE: Reply to Mr. MacNemi [133 words]DONG CHEEJun 11, 2007 21:4095801
In Reply To Donovan [222 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 12, 2007 03:0095801
In Reply To Dong Chee. [152 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 12, 2007 18:3195801
Yes, it is simple, [129 words]DONVANJun 13, 2007 08:3895801
In Reply To Donvan [199 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 13, 2007 21:3995801
RE: Mr MacNemi---we are in total agreement [244 words]Dong CheeJun 14, 2007 02:2295801
How do you know... [176 words]DONVANJun 14, 2007 16:4095801
To Dong Chee from a fellow soldier [243 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 14, 2007 22:2895801
In Reply To Donvan [770 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 15, 2007 15:3695801
1RE: This blog has been educational [444 words]DONG CHEE, SoldierJun 16, 2007 16:4495801
Why should Muslims be any different? [46 words]Linda HaslamAug 1, 2007 01:1095801
There is no excuse.... [43 words]Bryan JacksonJun 2, 2007 13:2795787
Light vs. darkness [49 words]David W. LincolnJun 2, 2007 12:2495779
Lux! [18 words]essequamvideri59Jun 2, 2007 10:4495775
Exposing true colours of Muslims is un-Islamic and punishment is death by lynching.......... [64 words]MisiaoJun 2, 2007 07:3895759
Comment on Islamist in the Courtroom: An invitation to Dr.Pipes [272 words]Jaisingh ThakurJul 21, 2007 02:0095759
CAIR's tactics and to Mr. Emerson. [190 words]YnnatchkahJun 2, 2007 02:1395736
HORRAY for Steve Emerson! BOO for Lekovic the Liar [110 words]LilOleMissyJun 2, 2007 00:0995724
1Herd Mentality of Human Beings Used By Terrorists [754 words]kamekishJun 2, 2007 00:0395723
In reply to Kamekish [43 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 2, 2007 17:0195723
1RE: Reply to wisdom of Kamekesh [47 words]DONG CHEEJun 3, 2007 17:5695723
Tribal..?? [51 words]donvanJun 4, 2007 10:3695723
Muslims going to be Tribal Not Islam [219 words]kamekishJun 5, 2007 01:5395723
Social Innovation [35 words]kamekishJun 5, 2007 02:0495723
SALUTATIONS, [158 words]DONVANJun 5, 2007 16:2995723
Edina Lekovic is a wannabe Arab [140 words]dihmmi no moreJun 1, 2007 19:4895712
Absolutely Amazing. Thank you! [233 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Morgaan SinclairJun 1, 2007 18:5395709
anyone left? [15 words]thereisnosantaclausJun 1, 2007 18:3495708
Pew Poll, Alan Cooperman & Ms. Lekovic [179 words]LDCJun 1, 2007 18:2295707
It was Israel [55 words]free beeJun 2, 2007 01:1395707
Not Israel, Luxemburg [57 words]LDCJun 2, 2007 16:5095707
Reply to Free Bee [19 words]Seammus MacNemiJun 2, 2007 17:1595707
free bee and taqiyya [153 words]InfidelJun 2, 2007 18:2595707
Our Dear Freebee and more fantasy [87 words]dhimmi no moreJun 2, 2007 19:0495707
About Free Bee to Seamus MacNemi [48 words]YnnatchkaJun 3, 2007 01:3795707
Reply to Ynnatchka [224 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 3, 2007 17:5895707
Is not lying to infidels encouraged? [35 words]Felipe OrnelasJun 1, 2007 16:5895695
Not surprised in the least! [121 words]nick4693Jun 1, 2007 20:5495695
Turnspeak [16 words]QuaoarJun 2, 2007 06:5295695
Why fool around with these Islamists? [169 words]Seanus MacNemiJun 1, 2007 16:2895691
Praising Osama [87 words]Donald W. BalesJun 1, 2007 16:2495689
Edina Lekovic of MPAC and Taqiyya. [64 words]EdSJun 1, 2007 16:1595686
honesty is not islamic [129 words]G.VishvasJun 1, 2007 15:5195680
Mr Vishvas your comments less than Honest [46 words]Un DrainedJun 2, 2007 01:2595680
What is untrue? [126 words]G.VishvasJun 3, 2007 03:4395680
Un Drained and more flawed Muslim logic [120 words]dhimmi no moreJun 3, 2007 07:0095680
Undrain ! Use your mind and think rationally ! [299 words]vitusiaJun 3, 2007 15:1495680
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in Thailand, the Paradise is burning Thanks to Islam !! [1997 words]Bunnak SirimanaJun 4, 2007 10:4795680
In Thailand, the Paradise is Burning [65 words]Peter HerzJun 5, 2007 07:2695680
Donald Cheeseman - in reply - soldier/ [57 words]europeanJun 8, 2007 18:3695680
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Our dear Samia and islamic drivel [263 words]dhimmi no moreJan 23, 2010 07:2595680
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Mr Donald Cheesman- Bias? [55 words]Julie O'NeillJun 2, 2007 01:3295679
To Dong Chee [176 words]YnnatchkahJun 2, 2007 02:2295679
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Our dear Julie O'Neill who does not listen [114 words]dhimmi no moreJun 2, 2007 17:3595679
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Islam: The Religion Of ... [542 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 11, 2007 23:0995679
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1Dear Julie O'niell [270 words]JensJul 6, 2007 09:3595679
Lekovic [238 words]obilicJun 1, 2007 15:3195676
Islam in America [71 words]Beslan Babies 172Jun 1, 2007 14:5495671
I have a Remedy for Beslan Babies 172 [17 words]free beeJun 2, 2007 01:3595671
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free bee and more false stories [25 words]InfidelJun 2, 2007 18:4495671
Our dear Freebee and you can revert too [103 words]dhimmi no moreJun 2, 2007 19:1295671
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Dear Mr. Infidel [44 words]free beeJun 4, 2007 13:1995671
dhimmi no more- shame on you [31 words]free beeJun 4, 2007 13:2395671
Our dear Freebee and shame [52 words]dhimmi no moreJun 4, 2007 17:4995671
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MPAC,. CAIR, and praising Osama bin Laden [4 words]Colonel BJ FinestoneJun 1, 2007 13:2295664
Muslims in America. [119 words]Ray TweedyJun 2, 2007 10:3795664
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Suprised by Young Age [27 words]AlexJun 1, 2007 11:5195651
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Freedom and rights. [68 words]M.D'SouzaJun 2, 2007 13:5495651
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A word to Jaladhi [19 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 3, 2007 18:3995651
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A word to all who would defend freedom [282 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 5, 2007 10:1095651
MacNemi [35 words]free beeJun 6, 2007 00:5195651
Back to Free Bee [170 words]Seamus MacNemiJun 6, 2007 21:4995651
Bogus history [62 words]dhimmi no moreJun 7, 2007 20:5495651
Muslims will never assimilate [120 words]Martel the hammerJun 8, 2007 11:4095651
RE: TRUTH AT LAT, BY: dhimmi no more, DONG CHEE [80 words]DONG CHEE, USAJun 12, 2007 17:2095651
1Finally someone who realizes the seriousness of the situation [28 words]Roosevelt's DiscipleJul 7, 2007 22:4495651
Who Would Mourn Islams Passing? [89 words]Seamus MacNemiAug 1, 2007 17:1795651
The Other Side of the Story [211 words]RachaelNov 30, 2008 09:5295651

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