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Reader comment on article: The Clash to End All Clashes?

Submitted by michael c (United Kingdom), Feb 8, 2006 at 07:34

Twelve cartoons were originally published by Jyllands-Posten. None showed the Prophet with the face of a pig. Yet such an image has circulated in the Middle East following a visit organised by Abu Laban, a leading Muslim figure in Denmark.

The image shows a man with a beard with a stick-on pigs' snout over his nose. He is standing at a microphone.

‘The ‘Prophet with the face of a pig' image [has been shown to be] a photo of Jacques Barrot, a pig squealing contestant at the French Pig-Squealing Championships in Trie-sur-Baise's annual festival. NeanderNews discovered this photo, taken by Bob Edme of AP, posted on an August 15, 2005 AP story ‘

So where does this leave us? With a dishonest, radical European Islamicist who has manipulated the publication of the original cartoons to advance the cause of radical Islam. Abu Laban now has blood on his hands.

So far this strategy has backfired in Europe, as the non-muslim majority is increasingly aware of the Islamicists intentions, and have now begun to express their dislike for these people, an expression that has been held back at a Government and EU level for some years.

Expect a hardening of European attitudes [a left-wing French magazine republished the cartoons today] and a drop in opposition to action against Iran. The Islamic project has begun to be seen as the danger it really is.

From todays Telegraph:-

‘On Monday's Newsnight , Anjem Choudary of al-Ghuraba - the group that organised Friday's rally - showed in a series of furious outbursts how empowered extremists feel by the impunity they have enjoyed. In response to Jeremy Paxman's point that he might be happier in a country where sharia law was in place, Mr Choudary raged: "Who said to you that you own Britain, anyway? Britain belongs to Allah."

So now we know.

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