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Mysteries of the Godhead - Who does Man Say that I AM -

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in response to reader comment: End times prophecies: Isaiah 44, Zechariah 14

Submitted by M Tovey (United States), Mar 20, 2018 at 17:32

Michael S;

Ahh; of the quandaries of discussing the mysteries of the Bible and relating them to human terms, the long running human debate of that question cannot, by this estimation, be argued from the mouths of men. Thus, only the studies of Scripture under the power of the Holy Spirit can be called upon to obtain some discernment of the creation as it relates to the Creator.

Questions: from the Beginning, who did Adam walk and talk with in the garden? If God the Father is Spirit, was it a communal spiritual acquaintance, or did a pre-incarnate Yeshua share with Adam the early mysteries of their relationship? That Adam was created 'in His Image', this implies the latter.

In Isaiah 6, the LORD high and mounted up sat on a throne, was Isaiah responding to what he saw by saying 'I have seen the King?' If God the Father is Spirit, was this manifestation our Savior before He undertook taking on a human form? We remember that all manifestations from the Tanach are lead ups to the several hundreds of prophetic implications that were fulfilled in the virgin birth, inquisition, death, burial and resurrection of Yeshua, Son of Man, Son of David, the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 49 through 54.

Just as mankind are human tabernacles of the souls of the Creation, so too the virgin-birth tabernacle that Yeshua occupied made Him human; but His Spirit is the same that spoke the existence of humanity into our reality; as such He declared that He and the Father are one. This makes circumstances of HIs being human necessary in order to redeem mankind to Himself.

Only God could do that; only God in His human tabernacle actually did that. In His resurrection, His humanity is altered; the mortal frame He once occupied was transformed from corruptible to incorruptible, the prototype for our eternal existence to come.

Only God could do that; only God will do that for us, redeeming us from our mortality to immortality by the blood shed on the cross.

Yeshua asked the disciples at night, "who do they say that I am?" After they stumbled for an answer, Cephas spoke, saying, "you are [the Messiah, HaMashiach], the Christ." He is joined to the Father by that Name.

Unrepentant and unbelieving naysayers from then until now formed a malignant conspiracy to say that Yeshua could be neither the man they sought in their form of the Messiah, nor could He be in their own conceited form of religiosity, be One with the Father. Their reasoning failed them. It is the same today.

Isaiah Chapter 9, tells of the unity of God the Father, our Savior, our Comforter; that in any of His combined capacities of Creator, in the capacity of all His Names (and the Names of His own devising in the future) we can confidently say, HaShem covers them all and the Holy One redeems those who have sworn allegiance and called upon Yeshua through that Name above all names, Yeshua; for He is God; Abba, our Father.


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