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ياأمة ضحكت من جهلها الامم Ignorance and half knowledge and other sordid matters

Reader comment on item: ISIS Justifies Its Yazidi Slaves
in response to reader comment: If that's the case...

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Oct 31, 2014 at 18:32

Our dear Observer who really has no knowledge of the history of the Middle East since the Arab invasion starting in 633CE wrote

If the pre-modern Islamic legal tradition justifies this appalling treatment of Yazidis, as you claim, then how come so many Yazidis lived undisturbed for centuries in those lands, under Muslim rule, until now?

This is like the silly question that Indian Muslims pose and it is as follows if the Muslim invaders of India murdered raped and enslaved millions of Hindus then how come we still have Hidnus left to this day right our dear observer?

But where is your evidence that the Yazidis "lived undisturbed" for the past 1400 years? Are you for real? Hint: the Yazidis report 72 genocides committed against them since they started to count as per Vian Dakhil and watch this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdIEm1s6yhY

Now it is your chance to tell her that she is wrong and that the Yazidis lived very well under Islam and i can assure you that she will think that you are a funny guy our dear Observer

And check the wonderful Matthew Barber's twitter feed

https://twitter.com/Matthew__Barber

He is the one who knows the most about the Yazidis and their persecution under Islam Da'ish included and tweet him and ask him your silly question how did they survive for 1400 years under islamic and Arabian imperialism and they did survive like all minorities in the Middle East not because of the tolerance of Muslims and Islam but it was despite of Islam just like your ancestors the Hindus who survived the murder of millions of Hindus

As for Mount Sinjar (and compare this in the case of the Maronites with Jabal Libnan or Mount Lebanon): mountains in the Middle East were regarded as a refuge from Muslims when these minorities were attacked

As for the Ottomans the Yazidis were targeted by the Barbarian Ottomans and here read this

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140809-iraq-yazidis-minority-isil-religion-history/

Muslims, the Ottomans included, call the Yazidis "devil worshipers" when in actual fact the devil worshipers must be those that follow an Arabian deity who tells his followers to murder polytheists in his name and those that murdered millions of Armenians and Syrians and Greeks and Yazidis

Even the Ottomans, as far as I know, left them be as long as they

Where is your evidence?

payed their taxes.a

Oh you mean the mafia tax al-Jizya? Well Yazidis cannot pay this mafia tax just like your Hindu ancestors because they are not supposed to be part of ahl al-kitab what ever that is

And I don't care what some premodern jurists say, they have no right to speak for all of Islam, and I'm sure there were many other jurists who provided differing opinions.

"Differing opinions" really? can you name names?

Given that you claim to be knowledgeable about Islam, you should know that there are differing opinions within the legal tradtion on a variety of issues.

Masha'allah listen I cannot speak for Dr Pipes but I can assure you that he knows a thing or two about Islam? You? That is a different story

But Islam should not be limited to simple legalism. These "scholars" were writing for a scholarly elite - how many of their views were applied widely in society for a long period of time?

What are you talking about?

You're forgetting that many ordinary Muslims who lived their faith did not leave written records like these jurists, over the centuries.

Drivel

There was a big gap between the theory of the jurists and actual practice in society in Muslim history.

More drivel

But with that being said, I see all of this as a case of the chickens coming home to roost. The wrongs and injustices these so-called scholars committed in the name of Islam for centuries - their disgusting legal views, their siding with political power - have gone unchallenged by most Muslims for a long time (I would say more out of neglect, fear, or lack of ability, rather than acquiescence), and in the 20/21st centuries, it has reached a boiling point.

You are not even an Arab you are an Indian or Pakistani Muslim which makes you a follower of the Arabs and the arabs are happy with the way things are

If it were up to me, I'd take all the books of fiqh and burn them. Because that's what they deserve.

I do not believe you for a minute

Oh ياأمة ضحكت من جهلها الامم? You can ask your Mullah if he knows Arabic to tell you what this wonderful saying means

For the readers it means: O you nation (Muslims) the other nations laugh at you because of your ignorance


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Title Commenter Date Thread
1It seems that the Islamic state is floundering [89 words]dhimmi no moreDec 5, 2014 09:08219640
1The fate of the Christians in Iraq [98 words]dhimmi no moreNov 28, 2014 08:54219524
2The BBC and the Yazidis and other sordid matters including "Trending" and being PC [177 words]
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dhimmi no moreNov 27, 2014 12:20219514
Isis justifies Yaziti slaves......This is what pagan cultures do. [80 words]AnneNov 7, 2014 08:29219208
Universal Law or Temporal Will [45 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
CzeslawOct 24, 2014 09:40218899
Evolution? No, a big party. [123 words]Michael S.Oct 28, 2014 06:59218899
1Muhammad had the slaves [38 words]CzeslawOct 24, 2014 05:49218892
1If that's the case... [285 words]
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ObserverOct 23, 2014 11:17218885
2Separate but equal [217 words]PrashantOct 24, 2014 23:43218885
3ياأمة ضحكت من جهلها الامم Ignorance and half knowledge and other sordid matters [782 words]dhimmi no moreOct 31, 2014 18:32218885
4Documented atrocities and genocides inflicted on the Yazidis by the Arab invaders and the Ottomans [226 words]dhimmi no moreNov 1, 2014 09:36218885
1Is this then a revolt against modernity? [71 words]KreshnikOct 21, 2014 16:50218865
1Re: Is this a revolt against modernity? [447 words]ObserverOct 24, 2014 23:49218865
Yes, they are more "anti-modern" than religious; but the root is avarice and hurt pride [201 words]Michael SNov 5, 2014 10:25218865
3Appalled - really? [56 words]ECAWOct 19, 2014 11:48218830
1Outrage against slavery is hypocritical [159 words]Michael S.Oct 26, 2014 06:44218830
slavery [113 words]ECAWOct 28, 2014 04:21218830
1Why is it so difficult to understand that past wrongs do not justify current wrongs? [90 words]PrashantOct 28, 2014 17:48218830
If Muslims must adopt Christian standards, then perhaps it should also work the other way around. [210 words]Michael S.Oct 31, 2014 07:13218830
4The author of the Qur'an and slavery [195 words]dhimmi no moreNov 2, 2014 09:10218830
5Our dear Michael S is saying we kuffar should not be critical of Da'ish for enslaving Yazidi women! [198 words]dhimmi no moreNov 3, 2014 07:16218830
Slavery in Perspective [870 words]Michael S.Nov 3, 2014 08:48218830
1Correction. [684 words]Michael S.Nov 4, 2014 23:52218830
re-stating my position [613 words]Michael S.Nov 5, 2014 01:05218830
1What is really Genocide? Tell us please [79 words]dhimmi no moreNov 6, 2014 16:24218830
2Those that deny the Armenian genocide should be ashamed of themselves [300 words]dhimmi no moreNov 6, 2014 16:57218830
Those who deny the Holocaust have some screws loose [60 words]Michael S.Nov 9, 2014 03:28218830
The Armenians, and you, are looking for excuses to attack Jews. [115 words]Michael S.Nov 9, 2014 03:34218830
2differing opinnions [396 words]Mohammed Waza Khiddif Id'ullahNov 14, 2014 07:45218830
2He is beyond help [478 words]dhimmi no moreNov 17, 2014 13:25218830
1Guiding the perplexed and Armenians phobia [249 words]dhimmi no moreNov 17, 2014 13:37218830
2Getting to know Michael S!! [210 words]dhimmi no moreNov 17, 2014 17:55218830
facts are facts [303 words]Mohammed Waza Khiddif Id'ullahNov 21, 2014 23:09218830
The Bible accepted slavery as existing but never endorsed it [130 words]nan davisNov 2, 2015 21:59218830
Solomon difd many things whiuch displeased God [733 words]nan davisNov 2, 2015 23:28218830
I don't wish to justify ISIS [35 words]Michael SNov 4, 2015 15:13218830
1Learn From ISIS's Successes and Failures [165 words]DaveOct 17, 2014 21:40218801
1Yazidis should try to reach Israel or India [188 words]PrashantOct 17, 2014 21:19218800
1An Offered Choice: I Set Before You Life; or death; Choose You This Day Whom You Will Serve [425 words]M. ToveyOct 17, 2014 15:54218788
1"actions appall the overwhelming majority, Muslim and not"? [58 words]
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MarkOct 17, 2014 08:09218778
2Where are the useful idiots the likes of Ben Affleck? [17 words]dhimmi no moreOct 17, 2014 07:57218777
Useful Idiots Unmasked [20 words]Young MCOct 19, 2014 05:45218777
Iraq, Radical Islam. [43 words]EmanuelOct 17, 2014 05:49218773
ISIS popular support [41 words]Patrick LaubreauxOct 16, 2014 23:43218770
A slight inconsistency? [210 words]
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Ron ThompsonOct 16, 2014 23:27218769
If it's actions appall the majority, what of the high levels of support for ISIS in France? [88 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Anon.Oct 16, 2014 22:38218768
1Religion of Peace???? [90 words]Krazy ChickOct 16, 2014 22:19218767

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