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Submitted by Michael S. (United States), Nov 4, 2014 at 23:52

Hello, Dhimmino

By your remarks, one might get the impression that you don't like me. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and simply think of you as a fellow countryman divided from me by a common language.

No, I haven't called the barbarism to and by the Armenians and Greeks as "boloney". I have called them "barbarism". You have chosen to call some of these events "genocide", a term which I reserve for REAL genocides such as the Holocaust.

You've been using semantics, to try to score points against people: In the case of the Armenians and Greeks, your target seems to be the Turks. I am well aware of many of the episodes of the Turks and their neighbors, in their long history of dealing with one another. The fact that those countries and peoples are all still on the map, though, argues against the accusations that they have committed "genocide" (an attempt to completely wipe them out) against one another. The Armenians are not a numerous people; and a great number of them live abroad -- like, for instance, the Jews and the Irish. All three have been victims, at times, of atrocities; yet nobody has wiped them out -- and the Armenians, in particular, have been living in or near where they do today for over 2,800 years: speaking the same language they do today and, for the past 1700 years or so, using the same unique alphabet and practicing the same unique religion.

Though the Jews share with the Armenians a common longevity, their situation throughout history has been more precarious. They were deprived of a recognized homeland, for instance, not for hundreds of years, but for thousands, with meager remnants, at times, living as aliens in their own land. The Bible speaks of an attempted genocide against them during the time of Artaxerxes, when they were largely in captivity in Babylon; and the Germans made a deliberate attempt, during WWII, to completely destroy them as a people.

Unlike the fortunate Armenians, the Jews had noplace to run to. Thousands were allowed by Hitler to flee to France, after taking from them all they had; but they were kept from leaving France by deliberate bureaucratic hurdles erected by the Americans, British and others. Finally, when the Germans occupied France, the French rounded them up and practically forced them on the Germans, insisting that they get rid of them. Some tried to escape on ships. One such ship, the St. Louis, even docked in New York harbor, and relatives passed sandwiches to them. They were required to return to Germany, however; and for many, to certain death. Comparing what the Armenians went through to this, is a slap in the face to those who truly suffered genocide.

Though Hitler desired to eliminate the Jews from the planet, he was only able to destroy a third of them. Another third were safely in the US; and another third were scattered in the Soviet Union, Morocco, and other places. Today, most of those places have few Jews left; and some are completely "Judenrein", of "rid of Jews". How do your cherished Armenians, much less the Greeks, stand up to that by comparison?

The Germans killed a third of the Jews, through deliberate effort and ultra-efficient execution. Did you know, though, that there was a people that suffered even more at the hands of the Germans? It was the Germans themselves, about half of whom were killed by the other half during the Thirty Years' War. Was that genocide? Were the Germans trying to wipe out the Germans? By some modern definitions, such as yours, it would be called that; but the idea is completely preposterous.

You've used the word "genocide" in a misleading way, as have many others. In your post above, though, you've done more than mislead: You've lied. I did not call what happened to the Armenians and Greeks "baloney". I noted that the indiscriminate use of the word "genocide" is baloney -- something I had thought you yourself were doing. I was mistaken, and you went beyond that.


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1It seems that the Islamic state is floundering [89 words]dhimmi no moreDec 5, 2014 09:08219640
1The fate of the Christians in Iraq [98 words]dhimmi no moreNov 28, 2014 08:54219524
2The BBC and the Yazidis and other sordid matters including "Trending" and being PC [177 words]
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dhimmi no moreNov 27, 2014 12:20219514
Isis justifies Yaziti slaves......This is what pagan cultures do. [80 words]AnneNov 7, 2014 08:29219208
Universal Law or Temporal Will [45 words]
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CzeslawOct 24, 2014 09:40218899
Evolution? No, a big party. [123 words]Michael S.Oct 28, 2014 06:59218899
1Muhammad had the slaves [38 words]CzeslawOct 24, 2014 05:49218892
1If that's the case... [285 words]
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ObserverOct 23, 2014 11:17218885
2Separate but equal [217 words]PrashantOct 24, 2014 23:43218885
3ياأمة ضحكت من جهلها الامم Ignorance and half knowledge and other sordid matters [782 words]dhimmi no moreOct 31, 2014 18:32218885
4Documented atrocities and genocides inflicted on the Yazidis by the Arab invaders and the Ottomans [226 words]dhimmi no moreNov 1, 2014 09:36218885
1Is this then a revolt against modernity? [71 words]KreshnikOct 21, 2014 16:50218865
1Re: Is this a revolt against modernity? [447 words]ObserverOct 24, 2014 23:49218865
Yes, they are more "anti-modern" than religious; but the root is avarice and hurt pride [201 words]Michael SNov 5, 2014 10:25218865
3Appalled - really? [56 words]ECAWOct 19, 2014 11:48218830
1Outrage against slavery is hypocritical [159 words]Michael S.Oct 26, 2014 06:44218830
slavery [113 words]ECAWOct 28, 2014 04:21218830
1Why is it so difficult to understand that past wrongs do not justify current wrongs? [90 words]PrashantOct 28, 2014 17:48218830
If Muslims must adopt Christian standards, then perhaps it should also work the other way around. [210 words]Michael S.Oct 31, 2014 07:13218830
4The author of the Qur'an and slavery [195 words]dhimmi no moreNov 2, 2014 09:10218830
5Our dear Michael S is saying we kuffar should not be critical of Da'ish for enslaving Yazidi women! [198 words]dhimmi no moreNov 3, 2014 07:16218830
Slavery in Perspective [870 words]Michael S.Nov 3, 2014 08:48218830
1Correction. [684 words]Michael S.Nov 4, 2014 23:52218830
re-stating my position [613 words]Michael S.Nov 5, 2014 01:05218830
1What is really Genocide? Tell us please [79 words]dhimmi no moreNov 6, 2014 16:24218830
2Those that deny the Armenian genocide should be ashamed of themselves [300 words]dhimmi no moreNov 6, 2014 16:57218830
Those who deny the Holocaust have some screws loose [60 words]Michael S.Nov 9, 2014 03:28218830
The Armenians, and you, are looking for excuses to attack Jews. [115 words]Michael S.Nov 9, 2014 03:34218830
2differing opinnions [396 words]Mohammed Waza Khiddif Id'ullahNov 14, 2014 07:45218830
2He is beyond help [478 words]dhimmi no moreNov 17, 2014 13:25218830
1Guiding the perplexed and Armenians phobia [249 words]dhimmi no moreNov 17, 2014 13:37218830
2Getting to know Michael S!! [210 words]dhimmi no moreNov 17, 2014 17:55218830
facts are facts [303 words]Mohammed Waza Khiddif Id'ullahNov 21, 2014 23:09218830
The Bible accepted slavery as existing but never endorsed it [130 words]nan davisNov 2, 2015 21:59218830
Solomon difd many things whiuch displeased God [733 words]nan davisNov 2, 2015 23:28218830
I don't wish to justify ISIS [35 words]Michael SNov 4, 2015 15:13218830
1Learn From ISIS's Successes and Failures [165 words]DaveOct 17, 2014 21:40218801
1Yazidis should try to reach Israel or India [188 words]PrashantOct 17, 2014 21:19218800
1An Offered Choice: I Set Before You Life; or death; Choose You This Day Whom You Will Serve [425 words]M. ToveyOct 17, 2014 15:54218788
1"actions appall the overwhelming majority, Muslim and not"? [58 words]
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MarkOct 17, 2014 08:09218778
2Where are the useful idiots the likes of Ben Affleck? [17 words]dhimmi no moreOct 17, 2014 07:57218777
Useful Idiots Unmasked [20 words]Young MCOct 19, 2014 05:45218777
Iraq, Radical Islam. [43 words]EmanuelOct 17, 2014 05:49218773
ISIS popular support [41 words]Patrick LaubreauxOct 16, 2014 23:43218770
A slight inconsistency? [210 words]
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Ron ThompsonOct 16, 2014 23:27218769
If it's actions appall the majority, what of the high levels of support for ISIS in France? [88 words]
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Anon.Oct 16, 2014 22:38218768
1Religion of Peace???? [90 words]Krazy ChickOct 16, 2014 22:19218767

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