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Interesting Mention Linking Turkey and Iran

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Submitted by M. Tovey (United States), Feb 21, 2013 at 18:58

My apologies for not seeing this before now: as John Wayne once remarked in one of his more 'American west' movies, "you interest meā€¦..", a quick quip styled answer to a comment of a greater concern, that of the welfare of a people being targeted for wanting a better life yet having the appearance of intruding into the lives of the established predecessors. Kind of peculiar as it does have application here, and not only with Turkey and the Middle East, but a concurrent application could be argued for India as well.

First and foremost, going back to your insistence of my aligning with the warring factions in the Middle East and the exportation of Islamism around the world, the battle about to beset Turkey is NOT my war; only those who have high-jacked Washington are intent on prosecuting war in the Middle East. My personal proclivities would be to seek a means to proclaim peace through the love of Yeshua HaMashiach/Jesus Christ and provide the means for all to get together in His love.

Your mistake of thinking that the nominal 'christian label' for the west puts your argument of an Islamic based shari'a legal system in place of the 'western morality' in jeopardy for the lack of true insight of what it really means to be a disciple of Jesus Christ.

That having been said and let us set it aside for a moment, the impending war that is about to break out between Turkey and her allies versus the projected interdiction of the United Nations for their own reasons is not going to solve anyone's problem in the region- yet a war (not of my choosing) is inevitable. By the inference of your first question, you have asked, "Why is that?" I have alluded to the reason before and at least a couple of times stated outright why - which you have rejected.

Your general attitude has predestined your world view to seek an answer of the world's problems from a perspective that history has already answered, but you choose not to believe. Thus any answer I have given before and might consider now is academic when pouched in the envelope of my world perspective in contrast to yours.

You say, "Western society is crumbling and I do not see any other chance for the West to survive without a strong influence of Islam in her constitutionā€¦", to which I might have been inclined to give some credence to; except that much of what I have seen for decades is that the hatred that permeates all societies is just as entrenched in the Middle East and even in India; so the argument that the west is alone in its defeat of human concerns is weak at best.

You say that a western woman who has a career instead of a family is somehow less than fulfilled; and maybe I might be inclined to wonder about her life. But in comparison to all the women (and young female juveniles) who are deprived of life in honor killings will never get to learn anything about life except that their murderers held their honor closer than any love they might have needed for forgiveness. I'm sorry, but that's a depraved attitude toward the heritage of any society, just as abortions are elsewhere.

I have personally known Islamists in the west. They would have done well to remain where they hailed from; for they are never able to fully assimilate into the western culture; indeed they are usually sternly warned by their fellows and their imams not to, being instructed to bide their time and wait for the moment to expound their hatred upon non-Muslims. This is historical; for is it not the same hatred for Hindu's that cost India her once great place in world history due to factionalism?

Now; Let us come to an understanding-it is not my contention that the United States is going to be the solver of the world's problems, mostly because the rest of the world no longer has the same envy that once was bestowed upon America. Further, the current office holder of the American Administrative Chief Executive does not hold to the 'exceptionalism' that America has been labeled with. Instead there is a different agenda being put into place as this is being written. One might think that Islam is going to gain greater influences over here, but that will be for a very short time as Islam by certain measures is being used for political reasons.

Going further, there is much to be said by linking Turkey to Iran as you do, for there is that connection made by the Jewish Holy Bible. I would elaborate upon that here, but your earlier reluctance of accepting such references suggests a futility of repeating that which you would not believe. For others though, Togarmah and Elam, and all the rest are linked in such a way that the inevitability that is spoken of earlier is plain for those who understand.

And finally, Muslim immigration to the west will not be the west's salvation, but as seen in the historical context, one must choose whether to be Sunni or Shia and then be ready to defend what is holy to each. I would rather focus on seeking discipleship with my true Savior Jesus and have His peace and love in my heart than to get involved the rivalry of trying to find out who the twelfth imam is.

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Title Commenter Date Thread
Is Turkey Leaving the West? [77 words]tedApr 22, 2013 19:42205463
1Turkey will leave N.A.T.O. after Assad's government falls from power [29 words]DanielMay 3, 2013 17:46205463
China Is Hot [54 words]melvin polatnickMar 4, 2013 15:56204029
1post- imperial Erdogan [112 words]BenFeb 27, 2013 08:13203904
8Was Turkey ever part of the West, Daniel? [663 words]NikephorosFeb 20, 2013 01:02203676
1Hypocrisy [261 words]srhtApr 4, 2013 15:25203676
3Turkey as an EU paradox [254 words]mythFeb 18, 2013 10:31203608
5The morals of Turkey are not the values of the West [137 words]Phil GreendFeb 14, 2013 18:42203506
2Your entry says You dont know anything about Turkey [250 words]neosinanFeb 17, 2013 16:49203506
11Turks vs. logic [209 words]IanusFeb 18, 2013 00:25203506
2Shame on anyone who denies the Armenian Genocide [560 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 19, 2013 07:18203506
1So tell us what are the values of the west ? [80 words]Triple CrescentFeb 20, 2013 13:47203506
2Turkey Should Not Be in NATO [86 words]DaveFeb 12, 2013 22:02203433
Turkey Should Not Be in NATO [133 words]moFeb 17, 2013 13:19203433
i really dont think Turkey is still part of NATO [243 words]neosinanFeb 17, 2013 14:25203433
5Turkey should dump NATO [47 words]AhmetFeb 9, 2013 13:15203362
3Dear Mr. Ahmet [228 words]Debanjan BanerjeeFeb 13, 2013 21:56203362
8Debanjan does not have intellectual gravitas for critical examination of issues. [298 words]PrashantFeb 15, 2013 16:46203362
12Islam is the grave-digger of the West. [201 words]IanusFeb 15, 2013 18:02203362
6Islam and India [197 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 16, 2013 06:56203362
5Lots of questions for our dear Deb al-tablighee [434 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 16, 2013 09:57203362
6Islamic plagiarism [118 words]IanusFeb 16, 2013 14:42203362
2More hypocrisy [113 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 16, 2013 17:10203362
4facade of an islamic society [122 words]mythFeb 18, 2013 09:27203362
DIMMI NO MORE Pakistan is One of best States in the World....! [182 words]BilawalApr 25, 2013 06:03203362
3Pakistan is a failed state thanks to Islam [31 words]dhimmi no moreApr 26, 2013 07:03203362
dhimmi no more....Wkipedia is not a reliable source [42 words]BilawalApr 27, 2013 04:07203362
3Our dear Bilawal did you check the references in the wikipedia article? let me guess you did not right? [258 words]dhimmi no moreApr 28, 2013 07:29203362
4Our dear Bilawal tells us kuffar that wikepdia is not a good source nontheless he is using it as a source to prove his point and I wonder why [203 words]dhimmi no moreApr 28, 2013 09:56203362
Dimii [44 words]Dimmi No MoreApr 30, 2013 04:25203362
5The failed state of Pakistan and wannabe Arabs! [339 words]dhimmi no moreMay 1, 2013 15:47203362
1Come on dhimmi [20 words]Bary SoetoroMay 8, 2013 18:20203362
1The Qur'an says that islam is the religion of the arabs only [303 words]dhimmi no moreMay 9, 2013 06:04203362
Moslem immigrants [11 words]TomMay 11, 2013 00:38203362
Jesus for Jews, Muhammad for all of mankind [37 words]Bary SoetoroMay 11, 2013 20:36203362
2Spot the mistake in the book of Allah! This time surat al-Nur 27 [162 words]dhimmi no moreMay 12, 2013 11:17203362
1The Qur'an says that islam is the religion of the arabs only and our dear Bary is editing the Qur'an! Where are the riots? [657 words]dhimmi no moreMay 13, 2013 07:32203362
1The Qur'an says that islam is the religion of the arabs only and al-Ahmadiyya [163 words]dhimmi no moreMay 13, 2013 09:47203362
2Bary Soetoro is corrupting the Qur'an! Where are the riots [278 words]dhimmi no moreMay 13, 2013 15:15203362
Turkey - Not an Easy One to Call [319 words]M. ToveyFeb 7, 2013 18:15203299
1Dear Mr. Tovey [397 words]Debanjan BanerjeeFeb 13, 2013 22:07203299
4Islamic hypocrisy has no limits [172 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 14, 2013 19:52203299
4It seems that our dear Deb who is a Shia is not Muslim! [107 words]dhimmi no moreFeb 16, 2013 07:59203299
2Interesting Mention Linking Turkey and Iran [913 words]M. ToveyFeb 21, 2013 18:58203299
4betrayal [180 words]mythFeb 7, 2013 16:12203297
1The democratic road for Turkey [245 words]DemsciFeb 10, 2013 11:03203297
You were right ? [159 words]neosinanFeb 17, 2013 15:55203297
2grandchildren returning to Turkey [166 words]mythFeb 18, 2013 09:48203297
1Turkey and Erdogan [73 words]Michael LermanFeb 7, 2013 10:08203284
Turkey is leaving the west [84 words]C PageFeb 7, 2013 09:08203282
1Turkey will stay in NATO [114 words]Nazim CairoFeb 7, 2013 05:58203276
3Another proof? [115 words]AlexandrosFeb 7, 2013 19:34203276
1Correction [47 words]Nazim CairoFeb 9, 2013 15:53203276
8What is Turkey trying to do [572 words]AlexandrosFeb 7, 2013 04:51203274
1i am not gonna talk about all your nonsonse but i have a question [98 words]neosinanFeb 17, 2013 17:21203274
What? [106 words]AlexandrosFeb 18, 2013 05:04203274
1Turkey vs Greek [179 words]AYdinFeb 21, 2013 12:16203274
2I do not understand where is the hate [537 words]AlexandrosFeb 22, 2013 05:40203274
Seeking new allies? [85 words]Gurkan GurkasFeb 7, 2013 03:43203271
1Turkey does not fit into the European Union [50 words]Lars nielsenFeb 7, 2013 03:26203270
1In the end Turkey is Islamic country [240 words]Amit SrivastavaFeb 6, 2013 21:07203260
6Erdogan Was Using EU [55 words]Sol ShalitFeb 6, 2013 18:00203251
5A Muslim... [55 words]ZeldaFeb 6, 2013 17:35203250
1Turkey Joining SCO [37 words]RichFromTampaFeb 6, 2013 17:33203249
8Turkey never was part of the West; it cannot not and does not know how [61 words]NuritGFeb 6, 2013 17:18203248
6Is Turkey Leaving the West? [238 words]JudithFeb 6, 2013 16:16203245
1NATO should dump Turkeys [98 words]lippyFeb 7, 2013 10:38203245
2Is Turkey Leaving the West? [51 words]JudithFeb 8, 2013 12:06203245
1You obviosly have no knowlodge about Turkey So This is some Facts about Turkey [194 words]SinanFeb 17, 2013 15:14203245
2Reality: Sinan, Turks marry just to migrate to poor rural Russia [246 words]NikephorosFeb 20, 2013 01:42203245
3Turkey leaving the West? [103 words]Nenette GrunbergFeb 6, 2013 15:53203244

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