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Typical response of the Ultra-Conservative

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Submitted by Ali Baba (United States), Jan 18, 2013 at 00:52

Ms Deborah has highlighted exactly the problems facing conservatism. Before I address your individual points, just think yourself the following: Why did Obama beat Romney? The answer of course is because he got more votes. Right or wrong aside, do you really think your viewpoints will garner votes? Its actually in the Left's interests that you believe what you do with conviction, because it just makes your job of getting votes that much harder.

Now onto the rebuttal of your rather cookie-cutter reposte:

Notice that in my post I didn't rail against capitalism, but corporatism. In your rabid frenzy you've mistaken the two. Just a little hint, they have different letters after the first "C". There is a big difference. Firstly, we have lost our claim on being a "democracy" because we're not rule of/by/for the people so much as we are rule of/by/for the wealthy. Thats right, America is a plutocracy, and has rarely been anything less. The election was contested by Obama who has a 7-figure income versus Romney who has a 8-figure income. But thats not even the real problem, the real problem is letting all these corporate lobbies (cigarrettes, guns, pharmaceuticals, what have you) not just influencing but dictating our domestic and foreign policies. Deborah, unless you're the CEO of some big company, you're just a corporatist stooge like 150 million other Americans.

You see corporations make a lot of money because there are poor people in America (like Walmart employees) and dirty poor people abroad (like sweatshop workers) that can be exploited because they have no other choice. That $500 Coach bag slung over your shoulder is worth 50 bucks, tops. That includes 5 for labor, 10 for materials, and 35 for the factory. $440 dollars is for the Coach brand name which goes into buying the CEO's yacht and his daughter's Rolls Royce. If you're lucky, the remaining $10 dollars goes into some charitable work, which wouldn't be needed if you just bumped the laborer's fee from 5 to 15 to begin with. If taxing these guys is a crime, what about raising taxes on the middle class families who can't afford health insurance for their kids?

Its really funny how you call Slavery "over-exagerrated". Look at all the whining you're doing over things that don't even concern you in the least: abortion, taxation of corporations, and shariah law. You are this angry and you've never been owned by another human being and forced to work for no pay. Now mutilply that by 200 hundred years (your own admitted under-estimate of Afro-American disenfranchisement). If someone merely prevented you from voting in just one election you'd file suit for millions. And black people have no right to even a hundred dollars? Typical.

Its also typical of ignorant Conservative thought, to make the reproductive rights issue solely about abortion. I'll bet you didn't know that progestin, the key ingredient in Oral Contraceptives and the infamous "Plan B" pill is also used to treat endometrial hyperplasia, polycystic ovarian syndrome, prostate cancer, and it even helps some women maintain pregnancy! In other words, such drugs will help save innumerably more lives than the number of fetuses they will kill. And just as an FYI, I'm prolly more anti-abortion than you will ever be.

I'm also willing to bet you're magically pro abortion when it comes in the form of a laser guided MOAB dropped on a gynecology clinic full of women in Kabul or Baghdad or Gaza.

I'm also glad that you admit you're not in support of "foolish ideologies" like social equality and multicultarism. I hope you take some Ambien to cope with all the sleep loss you must get from recognizing your cotterie of old-time Zionist and anti black/hispanic/gay/muslim apologism is on the wane.


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