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Submitted by bill's girl (Saudi Arabia), Oct 28, 2009 at 07:43

"rabina yu3alimuha ina al-islam deen al-3arab faqat"

Where do you come up with this stuff?... really? Plz provide some reference, otherwise it holds very little weight, as it comes off as being your own opinion. Needless to say, I've never heard or read anything like that.

Your write: "Ok so where would i find in the Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic dalring that ina al-islam laysa deen al-3arab faqat"

In fact, going back to your previous argument, that Islam is only for Hijazi Arabs, I took out a copy of the Quran and this is what I found regarding that:

From Chapter 2, Al-Baqarah, verse 21 – O mankind! Worship you Lord, Who created you and those who were before you so that you may become the Pious. (2:21) And verse 47 – O Children of Israel! Remember My Favour which I bestowed upon you… (2:47)

From Chapter 3, Al-Imran, verse 138 – This (Quran) is a plain statement for mankind, a guidance and instruction to those who are The Pious. (3:138)

From Chapter 4 An-Nisa, verse 79 – Whatever of good reaches you, is from God, but whatever of evil befalls you, is from yourself. And We have sent you (O Mohammed) as a Messenger to mankind, and God is Sufficient as a Witness. (4:79)

From Chapter 6, Al-Anam, verse 90 – … Say: "No reward I ask of you for this (Quran). It is only a reminder for Mankind. (6:90)

From Chapter 7, Al-Araf, verse 158 – Say: O mankind! Verily, I am sent to you all as the Messenger of God – to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth. None has the right to be worshipped but He: It is He Who gives life and causes death. So believe in God and His Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write who believes in God and His Words [(this Quran), the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and also God's Word 'Be!' – and he was, i.e. Jesus son of Mary], and follow him so that you may be guided. (7:158)

There are many more if one just continues reading. The Quran does not address the Hijazi Arab, but Mankind… all mankind.

"wa ma arsalna min rasulan ila bilisani qawmihi" = And We sent not a Messenger except with the language of his people, in order that he might make (the Message) clear for them… (14:4)

You proceed with a 3 point argument which, if one were to agree with, would also mean that Moses was only sent to the Jews – Hebrews, and Jesus only to the Aramaics. Therefore, anyone who doesn't speak Hebrew or Aramaic has no claim to Judaism or Christianity? After all, Moses' language was Hebrew and the Torah was revealed in Hebrew, and Jesus' language was Aramaic, therefore his teachings would be in Aramaic!

Furthermore, you refer me to the following verses: Q10:47, Q13:8, Q35:24, Q28:75…

And for every Ummah (a community or a nation), there is a Messenger; when their Messenger comes, the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged. (Yunus 10:47)

Allâh knows what every female bears, and by how much the wombs fall short (of their time or number) or exceed. Everything with Him is in (due) proportion. (Ra'd 13:8)

Verily! We have sent you with the truth, a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner. And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them. (Fatir 35:24)

And We shall take out from every nation a witness, and We shall say: "Bring your proof." Then they shall know that the truth is with God (Alone), and the lies (false gods) which they invented will disappear from them. (Al-Qasas 28:75)

I really don't see how these support your claim that Islam is for 'Hijazi Arabs' only. However, as I mentioned earlier, the verses that I've quoted from the Quran address all mankind and DO mention that Mohammed (and the Quran) were sent to 'mankind', rather than to 'Hijazi Arabs only'.

Regarding Ms. Crone's book Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam, you write: "Bogus she does not say that. And did you read Meccan Trade? " These are small quotes from sites discussing the book:

"The book provides evidence that Islam did not originate in Mecca, located in the Hejaz region of what is modern day SaudiArabia."

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meccan_Trade_and_the_Rise_of_Islam)

"the author reexamines the evidence for the religious status of pre-Islamic Mecca and seeks to elucidate the nature of the sources on which we should reconstruct our picture of the birth of the new religion in Arabia." http://www.amazon.com/Meccan-Trade-Islam-Patricia-Crone/dp/1593331029

So, it seems that YOU are the one who hasn't read the book!

Now, please refrain from calling me 'darling'! I am not your (or any other stranger's) darling, sweet-heart, baby, etc. It is demeaning to call a woman by these.

You write: "Really? and why do you provide me with a translation ms ignorant? where is the original Arabic? oh let me guess you are another tablighee and wannabe arab right?"

And, you write: "You cannot be an Arab because Arabs have no clue and care less about what Ignaz Godlziher said or wrote"

You write as if with the presumption that I am Hindu/Pakistani or Indian… I am not. I am American, born and raised in a Roman Catholic community. I am a curious person... taught to read and seek knowledge and to learn about and respect others. Moreover, I NEVER claimed to be Arab! Do not assume that because I can respect another culture (and actually try to understand it by regarding its Scriptures, beliefs, people, etc. rather than what outsiders may want me to believe about it) that I am of that culture or that I am a 'wannabe arab'.

Furthermore, my not providing you with the original Arabic does not make me ignorant. But I will say this, I was ignorant as to what a 'tablighee' is!... so, I searched for it, and found various other comments posted by you in which you offend, insult, and call others by this word. Why are you so full of hate and insult?! Can you not discuss your view without having to get nasty with people? Perhaps you can learn something from the following verse from the Quran: "Invite to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better…" (16:125) Such a way would earn you more respect and perhaps one may actually think seriously about what you have to say!

"And darling: who is Bill?" Well, not that it is ANY of your business, Bill is my father.


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5our dear Bill's girl and more evidence that the Qur'an a book that you cannot read in Arabic says that islam is religion of the Hijazi Arabs only [314 words]dhimmi no moreOct 27, 2009 20:22159047
3our dear Bill's girl and more evidence that islam is religion of the Hijazi Arabs only part deux [377 words]dhimmi no moreOct 28, 2009 07:17159047
3our dear Bill's girl and more evidence that islam is religion of the Hijazi Arabs only part trois [362 words]dhimmi no moreOct 28, 2009 07:35159047
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3Islam is really the religion of the Arabs only and you ain't one [461 words]dhimmi no moreOct 30, 2009 07:27159047
re: dhimmin no more - Hejaz [68 words]jessieOct 30, 2009 13:17159047
3Our dear Jessie victim of Arabian imperialism [544 words]dhimmi no moreOct 30, 2009 21:45159047
4our dear Bill's girl and Islam is the religion of the Hijazi Arabs only the long version [2932 words]dhimmi no moreOct 31, 2009 10:49159047
4Our dear Bill's girl and the word tablighees and Islamic delusions [381 words]dhimmi no moreOct 31, 2009 13:52159047
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re: dhimmi no more - discrediting the 'breast-feeding of the adult' [1853 words]bill's girlOct 31, 2009 18:09159047
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6Now Our dear Girl admits that there is such thing as hadith breast feeding of the adult and as if we did not know [286 words]dhimmi no moreNov 1, 2009 07:00159047
4Our dear Girl Bill's girl that is and hadith breast feeding of the adult and the fun goes on and on [234 words]dhimmi no moreNov 1, 2009 09:17159047
4Our dear Girl discredits a hadith that is regarded as hadith sahih and it is breast feeding of the adult hadith and what a scandal [91 words]dhimmi no moreNov 1, 2009 09:22159047
4Our dear Girl whose daddy is bill and his lesson in liguistics and history of language [912 words]dhimmi no moreNov 1, 2009 13:21159047
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right, dhimmi the expert on everything and everyone [381 words]bill's girlNov 2, 2009 11:20159047
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4Cherry picking time and Islamic paganism [379 words]dhimmi no moreNov 10, 2009 11:44159047
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