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our dear Bill's girl and more evidence that islam is religion of the Hijazi Arabs only part trois

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Oct 28, 2009 at 07:35

Our dear Bills' girl wrote

>Well, Ms. Crone argued that Islam did not arise out of Mecca or the hijaz, but near the Mediterranean milieu

Wrong. In Hagarism she claims that islam originated in the area of southern Palestine and the Red Sea and nothing about the Mediterranean mr fake

For the readers: Most historians of early islam now accept the fact that islam originated in the civilized Middle East in Mesopotamia or today's Iraq. Shocking but true

>(Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam).

did you read Meccan Trade? I do not think so. Oh did you mean Hagarism?

For the readers tablighees the likes of Salah Ali and our dear darling Bill's girl read in Paki web sites about Crone's books about early islam but they have never read her books and their comments can be funny and pathetic. In Hagarism Crone is very correct in doubting the veracity of the islamic historical tradition as it is late, anachronistic and tendentious. She exmaines the extant non Muslim literary sources in the 7th and 8th century and the picture that emerges is very different from what we are told by the islamic historical tradition. But the biggest mistake that she makes is that she goes on to reconstruct the history of early islam based on these sources. And as per Wansbrough there is no reason for us to believe the non Muslim sources either. Oh you have no clue about what I' saying right ?

>As for Ignaz Goldziher, he states " I truly entered into the spirit of Islam to such an extent that ultimately I became inwardly convinced that I myself was a Muslim, and judiciously discovered that this was the only religion which, even in its doctrinal and official formulation, can satisfy philosophic minds. My ideal was to elevate Judaism to a similar rational level."

Goldziher was tyring to be nice and no more. This is the same person who proved that all the hadith is anachronistic which means that the hadith is bogus and only tablighees like you know a few quotes by him but your Arab masters have no clue who is he

What a fake

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