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Submitted by jamil (United Arab Emirates), May 17, 2006 at 07:48

islam is islam, and does not belong to muslims who claim islam, any more than to orientalists or political propagandists disguised as academics who claim to have knowledge of islam ...

that aside, religion, what ever that really means, which is so many things to so many different people that it really has no meaning, is no more than a facet of an individual's identity, and may be claimed as identity by any group of individuals, or be ascribed to a group by others, whether friend, foe or media ..

bed-stuy ... black brooklyn / crooklyn is spike lee turf, yet a mix of so many different immigrants over time that will always remain a dynamic palimpsest ... atlantic avenue, original home to syriani arab, armenian, circassian, immigrants, muslim, druze, & christian ... opened the levant to brooklyn ... sheikh dawood, the grand patriarch of afro-amerian muslims had his storefront mosque there ... sort of built on a foundation of marcus garvey, 7 teh west indians who led afro-centric political thought and action, from adam clayton powell to charles wrangle ... to wyclef jean & lauryn hill ... "we are all re-fugees"

atlantic avenue, atlantic -- is appropriate as it symobolizes the sorrowful crossing from africa in which millions of african men, women and children died & were thrown overboard to feed the sharks, often a better fate than being sold down river to plantations deep in southern swamps ...

discourse about islam in brooklyn or north america belongs first to african americans, as it has become as much a symbol of resistance as was the black christian church, but that died with martin luther king, to be taken over by opportunistic neo-conservative funded "prosperity gospel" of individualistic greed ...

but when malcolm X was assassinated by the power behind the hand that klled him, it sparked a movement toward islam, not to Farrakhan, who remains our west indian brother, a spiritual descendent of garvey & frederick douglas as much as a continuation of early malcolm, his rival, ... but afro-americans turned to a multiple range of islams from sufism to political justice, to codified doctrine and ritual ... when we listen & dance to salif keita or baaba maal afro-pop in the clubs, we are joining in their dhikr, their praise of islam, allah and muhammed, even though most of the words are unknown the spirit lives ... thus africa and islam meet as much in the dance halls as in the mosques ...

in short, if you are not black, not muslim, not living in the hearf of resistance to WASP domination and exploitation your comments either represent the oppressor, or merely voyeurism, quasi-intellectual tourism to places you dare not walk …

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Is "Islamism" the right term? [142 words]tomkowJun 13, 2006 15:4047590
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The Islamic Thinkers Society? [136 words]Lamar CarnesMay 25, 2006 17:5546409
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#reply:As if Muslims have a monopoly on rudeness [227 words]Obnoxious guyMay 9, 2006 02:5144988
totally agree [65 words]RichardNov 17, 2006 22:1344988
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New York Demonstration [74 words]Bill WaldronApr 23, 2006 15:1143919
Islamic Thinkers Society aka Al Muhajiroun work with ICNA and MAS [472 words]Ben van de PolderApr 23, 2006 20:4343919
missing the point .... [449 words]jamilMay 17, 2006 07:4843919
Al Muhajiroun UK [138 words]Ben CunninghamApr 23, 2008 19:2943919
Right on the money... [265 words]Tim BurtonApr 23, 2006 14:5543917
Reply - Tim Burton [169 words]WilliamApr 23, 2006 17:3643917
to William McGarroch: America's Rude Islamists and BNP supporters [304 words]Anubhav SinghMay 5, 2006 08:5643917
I agree. [63 words]concernedApr 23, 2006 14:2643912
Tim....Not the BNP [82 words]PCMadnessApr 23, 2006 16:1643912
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Counter-Terror mandated. [608 words]Jim WrightApr 23, 2006 11:0043878
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See the video of the rally: [1 words]ajmApr 23, 2006 01:5843839
Shame on us all [506 words]Kevin AbbasiApr 23, 2006 19:0443839

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