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What is "corruption" of a text in the Qur'an?

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in response to reader comment: Muslims don't regard nowaday Jews as "the real Jews", so favorable views in Quran are irrelevant.

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Dec 18, 2017 at 13:21

Motke you wrote

>Muslims say the Jews corrupted the text of the Torah, and by this forfeited their covenant with God (a covenant which includes the claim to the land of Israel).

When you ask Muslims what is really corruption of a text and in this case the Quranic Tawrat (Torah)? They have no clue but the Qur'an makes it very clear as in Qur'an 5:13 where it says يحرفون الكلم عن مواضعه or they corrupt (the Tawrat) by moving the words from its place

So corruption of a text in the Qur'an is about تحويل or Tahweel and not تبديل or Tabdeel it is about moving part of the text to another part of the book (in this case the Tawrat) and it is not changing the text And the Arabic word تحويل according to Maimonides (via Wansbrough) equals the Jewish Arabic word 'Ateq (Sp?) or Tahweel in Arabic

And this is perfect sense because al-Mufasereen realized that Allah claims to be the author of the Tawrat and Allah also says that no one can change his word or there is no تبديل therefore corruption is only تحويل

However this creates another disaster for Islam As you might know the first revealed Sura is Q96 and now it is not the first page of the Qur'an which means that according to the author of the Qur'an and his definition of corruption the Qur'an is a corrupted book Do you get it? Ask if you have questions

More disasters for Muslims? Say to them OK the Jews corrupted the Torah Where can we find a copy of the un-corrupted Allah's Tawrat? Let me guess it was eaten by a hungry goat may be?

You see Muhammad was a poor theologian

As for the nonsense by Muslims that the Jews (remember that a Jew is who ever his mother is Jewish and al-Mufasereen know that much) and the Quranic Bani Israeel are not the same is pure lies and ignorance because this is what their great scholars tell us that Bani Israeel and the Jews (al-Yahood) or even the Quranic Hadu as in Qur'an 5:13 are the Jews

But again Q62:2 says that Allah sent an ignorant prophet to ignorant people what can I tell you

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