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Submitted by Iftikhar Ahmad (United Kingdom), Oct 30, 2016 at 13:32

We deride them as 'migrants'. Why not call them people?

Immigrants, asylum seekers, marauders: we are losing sight of the men and women involved.

What do the following people has in common: Mark Carney, governor of the Bank of England; the former England cricketer Kevin Petersen; Nigel Farage's wife, Kirsten; Chelsea's new striker, Pedro; and Sir Bradley Wiggins?

Yes, they are all migrants - or, if you prefer, immigrants. Having moved to the UK to further their careers, some might be described as "economic migrants". Except that this term is reserved exclusively by politicians and the media to describe people who - unlike bankers or sports starts - they don't like: people who, in the words of our foreign secretary, are "marauding" across Europe.

People from the UK moving abroad to pursue their career or financial interests, meanwhile are "expats", never emigrants or migrants.

One Guardian employee who has been reporting extensively on the situation in Calais says: "The conclusion I came to was, wherever possible, to describe those in the camp as 'people' initially, with an extended phrase along the lines of 'more than 3,000 people who have fled war, poverty or persecution beyond Europe's borders....'."

Another journalist says: "They are people - men, women and children, fathers and mothers, teachers and engineers, just like us - except they come from Syria, Eritrea, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Why not just call them 'people', then list any other information we know that is relevant?"

Politically charged expressions such as "economic migrants", "genuine refugees" or "illegal asylum seekers" should have no part in coverage. This is a story about humanity. Reporting it should be humane as well as accurate. Sadly, most of what we hear and read about "migrants" is neither.

Stop treating foreigners like garbage and they will stop ruining your precious country. Why did you let them in in the first place if you didn't want them here? They left everything in their countries because of your promises. Are you so anxious to please that you can't say "no"? I would love to see you go to a foreign land where you don't have any friends, you don't even know anyone and you don't speak the language, and start from scratch. I would just LOVE to watch you do that. Let them integrate and stop segregating them. What I want is people being nice to each other. I don't care about race.

In Islam there is no commandment to kill people by making such allegations against them. The cartoonists had exercised their freedom of expression, and freedom of expression is totally allowed in Islam. Even during the Prophet's time there were several instances of ridicule, however the Prophet and his Companions neither punished such persons nor asked anyone to do so. On every occasion of this kind, the Prophet's Companions always tried to positively disseminate the message of Islam. They never tried to punish these people. The killing of those people who had published the cartoons is a gravely un-Islamic act in the name of Islam. What did killing Saddam Husain do. What did killing Osama Bin laden do? NOTHING!!!. There is a long line of replacements. I don't know the answers. He was asked by MI5 to join them...so you know he is working for them.

Multiculturalism means different cultures living side by side, separately. We live in a multicultural world of mono-cultural countries. If only England becomes multicultural and other countries don't, then the result will be a less multicultural world. Right next to the Over ground Station, a peek inside the Railway Tavern pub will reveal white locals in the front, black locals in the back room. This segregation is self-enforced; both parties seem to prefer it that way. The sight of such retailed segregation is uncomfortable, and off-putting. It inevitably reminded me of the "separate but equal" facilities of late-Jim Crow 60s America.

You and people like must learn to respect and tolerate those who are different. Muslim community is a part and parcel of British society. Muslim community needs Masajid, state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers, halal meat, sharia laws and Muslim cemeteries, otherwise, the future generations would be lost in western jungle. Muslim children must develop their cultural, spiritual and linguistic identities before they are exposed to wider society, otherwise, they would turn towards extremism and terrorism. All Muslim extremists are the product of state schools with non-Muslim teachers. Muslim children need state funded Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods.
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Title Commenter Date Thread
11961 a strange reversal of 1941 [145 words]mythNov 10, 2016 04:17233922
1"We called for workers but humans came." [231 words]RomanisNov 3, 2016 05:49233771
migrants in German prisons [97 words]mythNov 8, 2016 05:36233771
Question about those Turks who stayed [46 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
MikeOct 31, 2016 04:46233728
a very old generation of German politicians [178 words]mythNov 5, 2016 06:39233728
"Never buy a car from a Turk!" [280 words]JoeOct 30, 2016 22:51233723
Islam: The Future Religion of the West [575 words]Iftikhar AhmadNov 5, 2016 13:43233723
1valueless value judgements [1737 words]Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'UllahNov 8, 2016 04:45233723
2migration stream flees islamic countries [71 words]mythNov 8, 2016 05:03233723
1Islam Taslam and GB will never by a Muslim country [117 words]dhimmi no moreNov 8, 2016 14:23233723
wrong [30 words]JoeNov 8, 2016 20:49233723
1Mass Immigration Sign Of Dangerous Weakness [294 words]DaveOct 30, 2016 18:22233715
1Immigration [755 words]Iftikhar AhmadOct 30, 2016 13:32233708
language in Germany different from other European countries and the small role of Islam for Turks [182 words]mythOct 31, 2016 06:58233708
Not Unintended Consequences - Assimilation is a Western Word Never Allowed in the Orient [311 words]M. ToveyOct 31, 2016 11:21233708
Democracy and secularism in all countries but Islamic countries [138 words]PrashantOct 31, 2016 22:47233708
2shock horror [1377 words]Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'UllahNov 5, 2016 01:33233708
2Re: The Mundane Origins of Germany's Huge Turkish Population [142 words]Bill NarveyOct 30, 2016 10:25233707
why Turks?! [16 words]ThiagoNov 3, 2016 15:19233707
1How Germany spotted Turkey and needed so many [374 words]mythNov 5, 2016 05:47233707
3The German-Turkish flag image [62 words]DavidOct 30, 2016 09:13233705
3Fully Agree [43 words]Michael Hanni MorcosOct 30, 2016 18:33233705
1this particular German-Turkish flag does demonstrate assimilation [146 words]mythOct 31, 2016 07:11233705
2Turks in Germany. [178 words]VIRAJOct 30, 2016 03:06233701
3They will Never Assimilate [29 words]Michael Hanni MorcosOct 30, 2016 02:40233700
Jihad [805 words]Iftikhar AhmadOct 30, 2016 15:52233700
a bilingual contribution to German [178 words]mythOct 31, 2016 07:31233700
1Defining a Just Cause - and What is Not. [402 words]M ToveyNov 1, 2016 11:51233700
2If you ever wondered what Muslim schools in the U.K are like, read-skim his comment [89 words]anonNov 2, 2016 17:28233700
1we agree [101 words]Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'UllahNov 5, 2016 01:44233700
1it's OK [126 words]Mohammed Waza Khiddif id'UllahNov 5, 2016 01:50233700
2Ibn Manzur's Lisan al-Arab tells us that Jihad means Holy War and a Mujahid is a terrorist holy warrior [407 words]dhimmi no moreNov 7, 2016 14:03233700
2Jihad means Holy War as per Ibn Manzur's Lisan al-Arab and teaching Arabic to our dear Iftikhar [168 words]dhimmi no moreNov 8, 2016 14:04233700
3Delusions [83 words]dhimmi no moreNov 8, 2016 14:12233700
re: a bilingual contribution to German [65 words]AlexelaNov 12, 2016 04:02233700

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