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Old civilizations are not conjured away

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Mar 7, 2009 at 08:46

There are many changes in the Arab world that are taking place and here are just a few examples:

1. Berber nationalism has always existed but we are only talking about it now . What is most amazing is that it seems that many people in al-maghrib are converting to Christianity and this made it to the press in the Arab world as well as to al-jazeera. I do not know the numbers or the accuracy of such reports or how many of them are Berbers but it seems that many are rejecting the Arabs and their religion and their imperialism

2. In the case of Egypt that has the largest non Muslim population in the Middle east I was really surpised when I was watching a TV progarm where the debate was about the Arab invasion of Egypt and that this was no more than the imperialism of the arabs and one of the guests was making it very clear that Muslims like it or not are the decendants not of the Arabs but of Copts and of real Egyptians, which comes as a surprise to many Islamists. He called Muslims in Egypt: al-aqbat al-Muslimeen or those Muslims that are of Coptic origin (read this as real Egyptians).

3. Dr Pipes: I urge you to check what I call the Father Zakaria Botros phenomenon which is really sweeping the Arab world and putting islamists on the defense and an example here: for a few weeks the most important topic in the Middle east was the infamous hadith that was presented by Father Zakaria bout rida3at al-kabeer or the breast feeding of the adult and the response of Muslims to such well documented sayings in the Muslim sources

4. I was also surpised to read that many Egyptians are realizing that Egytian Arabic (3ammi) is a unique language and it is not just a dialect of Arabic

I guess even after 1400 years of Arabian and islamic imperialism such great and old civilizations and in the words of Patrica Crone "are not conjured away"

Submitting....

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Title Commenter Date Thread
Iranians-Better anti Arab nationalists [424 words]ShishirMar 20, 2010 16:55170444
2The Amazigh View: Let my people in [933 words]Atlas KahenaMar 27, 2009 03:26152835
2A moroccan perspective [418 words]Farid H.Mar 25, 2009 05:01152736
I doubt it. [174 words]Peter HerzMar 19, 2009 15:21152503
Thanks to Daniel Pipes [12 words]AkselMar 7, 2009 17:42151828
Old civilizations are not conjured away [344 words]dhimmi no moreMar 7, 2009 08:46151814
Please see this debate between an Amazigh spokesman and an Arab sent to me by an Amazigh friend [7 words]Gerald A. HonigmanMar 5, 2009 22:21151728
Thanks for directing us to that debate. [84 words]M.D'SouzaMar 9, 2009 08:57151728
Ancient Berber alphabet [51 words]paul reissMar 5, 2009 19:01151718
1The "original" Phonician alphabet [191 words]Stan GoodmanJul 15, 2009 06:15151718
Changing the name of Barbers to Amazighs does not change their history. [163 words]M.D'SouzaMar 5, 2009 13:37151697
Barbary coast and turkish pirates [32 words]AkselMar 7, 2009 17:32151697
The logic of D'Souza [137 words]HamMar 7, 2009 21:00151697
For those wondering about where the Berbers live [9 words]Abu NudnikMar 5, 2009 11:46151686
2The So-Called Arabs Who Built The Pyramids ?? [537 words]RebeccaMar 4, 2009 11:21151620
Arab Semitic Whites of North Africa [13 words]CNJun 9, 2009 11:18151620
Berbers [30 words]CNJun 13, 2009 04:30151620
one day, arabs will claim they built the moon [58 words]berberAug 18, 2010 13:17151620
Amazighs [200 words]Mohamed EljahmiMar 3, 2009 16:47151561
Berbers in History [52 words]Anglo-AmericanMar 2, 2009 23:01151493
About moroccan Amzigh [55 words]Esther spinozaJul 10, 2009 06:21151493
The Amazigh which means "free humans" [177 words]YnnatchkahMar 2, 2009 03:11151430
Berber [12 words]Jon PurizhanskyMar 1, 2009 16:01151406
The only solution [110 words]Jurist Benedictos Mohamad AliMar 1, 2009 14:02151399
Factoring Out, Not In. [85 words]DavodMar 1, 2009 06:47151385
I also read that Berber-related MEMRI thing yesterday, and was intrigued by this: [72 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Charles MartelFeb 27, 2009 10:34151288
Islam & Arab Colonialization go hand in hand [80 words]ASMar 4, 2009 01:03151288

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