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Submitted by Alaistair Campbell (United Kingdom), Feb 13, 2003 at 08:45

I heard Mr Morey on a late night phone radio show in the UK last year and out of curiosity, checked out his Islamic Invasion website.It is clear from the other topics discussed on it it,that he is coming from a "Born Again" Christian angle,but quite a few of the points he raises about the origins of Islam and its inclusion of many, what are politely called pre-Islamic traditions,(but are,lets face it, pagan beliefs dating from the start of civilisation in the Arabian peninsula and worthy of scholarly study in their own right) are worthy of debate. What I understand Mr Morey is saying,is that Islams assertion that its concept of the Godhead is identical to Christianity and Judaism,long held by this religion,is fundamentaly wrong and by comparing and contrasting Islamic beliefs with Christian,he believes he can show that "Allah" is a totally different deity from "God",in the same way that "Osiris" from the Egyptian pantheon is not the same as "Thor" from the Nordic.Religions have never simply appeared with a fully formed set of beliefs and mythology.They develop gradually,evolving to suit cultures and societies needs,subsuming beliefs and traditions already sacred to members of that society.Deities often change names-Istar of Sumeria became Astarte of Babylon became Aphrodite of Greece and Isis of Egypyt.(Some would say this Mother Goddess later became the deified Mary,mother of God but thats getting a bit close to the bone for some people)What Mr Morey seems to be saying is that Allah was already worshipped as a Moon god in the Arab pantheon and later transformed into The One true monotheistic deity of present day Islam.The Kabbah,the holy stone of Mecca is in reality an iron meteorite which impacted in the desert millenia ago and was worshipped by local people,no doubt highly impressed by this amazing rock that fell out of the sky,for centuries before Islam.This is integral to the Islamic faith.Late pagan beliefs absorbed into Christian tradition eg:Christmas,Halloween,etc,are merely cultural celebrations and in no way part of the Christian faith.


Mr Morey is simply debunking Islams tenous link to the main monotheistic faiths and its claim that Mohammed was the last of Gods prophets.The Koran simply borrows personallities from the Bible and writes them into a different setting and interpretation of monotheistic belief and very kindly includes Jews and Christians as "People of the Book"This gives credence to its message,especially when we read that Adam,Moses and all the other Prophets weren't Hebrew proto-Jews at all,but Moslems all along,thousands years before Mohammed.



In regard to the devoutly and sincerely believed by Moslems,peaceful nature of Islam,I would say this. In the 650s when Islamic Armies swept out of Arabia,the lands to the north(Syria,Palestine Persia) had been scorched by decades of war between the Roman Empire the Empire of the Sassanid Persians.The war rolled one way and the other until every city between Byzantium and Baghdad lay in ruins.Civilisation was in tatters with refugees living in hovels built from the stones of ruined temples,churches and villas.It was in this desolation Islam made its appearence and offered a different outlook of life. In a great battle with the Imperial Roman forces(Christian for three centuries by now) Islam established dominance over the Christian lands of the Middle East and the oldest Christian land, Egypt. From there they overran all Roman North African provinces and in the next century occupied Spain and into France as far north as Poitier before being turned back into Spain, large areas occupied until the fifteenth century. In the Eastern Med after centuries of wars,the city of Constantinople, the last Imperial city of the Roman Empire fell to the Islamic invaders in 1453 and as late as 1641 Islamic cannon were shelling the city of Vienna,Austria.

So,from the day Islam started as a politico-religious force,it has been at war with Christian Europe.Islam attacked the Christian West in the seventh century NOT vice versa,and has been bent on its subjugation ever since.The uncomfortable truth is that the Islamic Invasion started long,long ago.


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little knowledge about Islam [239 words]eimsMay 22, 2008 03:58
Islam the fastest growing religion..... [135 words]DanielMar 15, 2007 23:20
ISLAM AND TERRORISM [1944 words]DanielMar 28, 2007 03:17
Read "Islam and Terrorism" by Daniel [7 words]mMay 25, 2007 08:40
Islam and Terrorism [318 words]JoshDec 17, 2007 19:07
Islamic invason [222 words]MaherFeb 1, 2008 12:55
Please educate yourself [265 words]SorayaOct 7, 2009 11:38
The Religious Misunderstanding [404 words]NathanOct 16, 2006 04:23
i read it twice.. [9 words]martenAug 31, 2006 02:56
Call to war [227 words]R. PheonixJan 22, 2007 12:40
Robert Morey's book is biased and negative at best [227 words]Rev. Robert WoodsFeb 21, 2006 11:37
Biological Invasion islamique [32 words]Karikaturen - SatireJul 25, 2006 04:47
Robert Morey's Islamic Invasion is accurate [121 words]danSep 16, 2007 19:29
Mr. Dan you are unaware of Islam [157 words]fahadNov 6, 2007 10:12
A good review of this book [2577 words]True FriendFeb 20, 2006 20:50
Bible [165 words]HelgeJan 3, 2007 15:42
the truth [149 words]TimotiezFeb 7, 2006 22:28
The Truth [238 words]yusufApr 15, 2008 23:10
The real truth will revealed itself. [560 words]timotiezSep 10, 2008 07:20
Allah [68 words]HamzaOct 8, 2005 01:17
Islam, a threat to Christ? [220 words]LarsNov 8, 2004 12:35
HEY [169 words]JohnFeb 22, 2006 07:56
Respect [176 words]yusufApr 15, 2008 23:49
Great review [12 words]Nisa PermatasariSep 13, 2004 08:44
Robert Morey has little knowledge about Islam [30 words]SomeoneApr 23, 2004 03:56
Good [3 words]Mahaindra Adi PramanaFeb 15, 2004 03:59
my new found knowledge! [159 words]nina wergasow brearleyOct 1, 2003 13:22
Why? [52 words]John SmithJul 15, 2003 15:59
⇒ Islamic origins and conflict with The West [662 words]Alaistair CampbellFeb 13, 2003 08:45
I'm not sure about this [482 words]NigelNov 29, 2006 08:29
the book is a lie. [214 words]a muslimNov 3, 2008 18:43

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