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Can't we really handle them?
Reader comment on item: Op Eds Now More Central in War than Bullets

Submitted by Thomas Justin Kaze (Australia), Oct 23, 2006 at 05:26

Can't we really handle "them"?

Can't we? Oh yessir, we can – and "they" better watch out. Some Muslim participants of this Forum are warning (or threatening) us that "they" multiply faster, that "they" are more "pious" or "dedicated" to their "cause" (what "cause"?); that they'll do "This" or "That" – OK, we get it. Now; we are normal, civilized, modern human beings – so unlike "them"; we have separated the state and science from religion, and just look at this: Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists (they, too, deserve a capital letter) keep going forward – discovering, developing and modernizing at an unprecedented rate, unrestricted by some crazy canons, superstitions or pseudo-commandments.

Most CIVILIZED religions agree that God – or gods – various perceptions of "sin" though they may have, will never forgive the one, perhaps the greatest sin: not using your brain and allowing it to rot. Remember the old saying "Use it – or lose it"? And yes, this I address to Muslims. Cockroaches multiply, too – there are far more insects out there in the world than humans, but – guess, who is going to win?

Our humanitarian approach, our tolerance, our acceptance of primitive, tribal cultures and our respect for Human Rights have their limitations – I hope I am not paraphrasing Dirty Harry; guess who will be "afraid of a possible backlash" after another, perhaps just one more, terrorist attack on a Western country – us, or "them"? The problem is, as I once wrote, that when "they" are not afraid – the rest of us are. Do we like it this way? No, we do not.

The message is, do not try our patience too far, Muslims. We, the civilized world, can go far – or maybe even farther: we can release Saddam Hussein, apologize to him, pay him a handsome compensation and return him to power in Iraq – if that brings "peace and quiet", puts an end to the "sectarian violence" and "terrorism" therein, and maybe – just maybe – create a sensible balance to the Iran's threat of its "peaceful" (as if we were not familiar with the taqiyya thing) nuclear program.

We can always apply my suggestions (as put forward in "Conspiracy, Treason or Stupidity" – Oct 05, 2006, in response to "Intimidating the West…"); we can go even further – we can nuke Mecca and Riyadh for financing jihad against the free world; we can nuke Pakistan for its quiet support, aiding and abetting of Islamic terrorism – and indeed any country that contributes to the Islamic jihad against us. Why? Because WE CAN!

All dialogues and conferences on "peaceful coexistence" with the Islamic world is a waste of time and money - "they" are not going to assimilate or integrate, but will continue to deceive us and bluff us with the "religion of peace" mantra and threaten us with violence if not bellieved.

Can't we handle "them"? We sure can – and "they" don't want it, so help me. Democracy is only for those who can appreciate it – and Human Rights are for humans, not for those who wish harm upon the humanity (even from behind the barbed wire of Gitmo). We, humans, may be suffering from "Islamophobia", but "they" suffer from a phobia of civilization, a phobia of modernity and of everything un-Islamic – or is it "their" inborn inability to adapt and catch up with time? With stupidity, superstition, darkness and illiteracy rampant throughout the Muslim world, are "they" really counting on "their" criminogenic, deviant and illiterate self-appointed prophet's legacy to lift "them" off the ground? What a joke; he never even taught them how to invent a spinning wheel, let alone a flying machine! We have, because we have never been Muslims; we have – and we taught "them" how to fly it; "they" learned quickly and parked it in our homes full of people. Do "they" really deserve to be treated like our equals, or indeed, like humans? Oh, and "they" demand respect – very well; wherever I wrote "them", "they" are free to read it as "Them".

Thomas Justin Kaze


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A War of Public Relations [275 words]Jaisingh ThakurJul 29, 2007 08:47
reporters should live in Israel during an attack , then " shoot " their mouths off [235 words]Phil GreendJun 6, 2007 18:39
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A War - or a Dialogue? [1415 words]Thomas Justin KazeOct 31, 2006 22:58
What's it going take ! [181 words]dfwhiteOct 23, 2006 22:37
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mirror [226 words]dfwhiteOct 28, 2006 23:02
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DUBIOUS LIARS [64 words]syed mohammad aliOct 24, 2006 02:47
You've got spunk to tell it like it is - Thomas Justin Kaze [53 words]JaladhiOct 24, 2006 15:55
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if not [100 words]dfwhiteOct 21, 2006 01:52
PR of War [132 words]Lloyd TrufelmanOct 20, 2006 14:00
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Correct [11 words]Octavio JohansonOct 19, 2006 02:56
I glady deny the rights to a 'way of life' that... [664 words]CanadianChrisOct 19, 2006 13:23
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Foolish thoughts, foolish question [223 words]JeffOct 19, 2006 23:32
to jan [153 words]syed mohammad aliOct 21, 2006 08:19
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Syed [102 words]Another InfidelOct 22, 2006 03:30
many muslims settled in west for earning and nothing else [90 words]syed mohammad aliOct 22, 2006 21:10
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Hope you are right - [235 words]Another AmericanOct 20, 2006 00:09
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Dr. Pipes, a small correction.
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The influence of the media [183 words]muminsalihOct 17, 2006 14:45
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Jews and the whole world [312 words]trans-parereOct 19, 2006 15:41
just deserts [210 words]trans-parereOct 19, 2006 16:22
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anti-Christian [479 words]trans-parereOct 21, 2006 20:22
trans-parere, a lesson in history [381 words]InfidelOct 22, 2006 21:28
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Moshe and the one opinion and the one history [371 words]trans-parereOct 28, 2006 23:40
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Well said, but is anyone listening?
[w/response] [129 words]
Rick HouseOct 17, 2006 13:29
You can't... [164 words]LDCOct 19, 2006 10:30
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Dennis, your Dad... [66 words]LDCOct 19, 2006 10:19
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Chris and Chandragupt [506 words]Trans-parereOct 29, 2006 19:37
Fundamentalism in every form is the problem [871 words]CanadianChrisNov 1, 2006 01:15

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