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'Extremists' are the True Muslims

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Submitted by Ayokunle (Nigeria), Jun 3, 2010 at 15:41

Reading the comments of Eman while defending Islam and perpetuating the harm I think there is an important point that should be made clear about those we usually call "extremists", "Fundamentalists" and the likes.

It is true that the Qur'an says "Let there be no compulsion in religion" but that was in the early years of Islam. More verses in the Islamic holy book described what we call terrorism today as in a way Islamic. And lest anyone say I am misquoting the Qur'an, I will first quote what an Islamic cleric wrote right from the world's Capital of Islam, Saudi Arabia. Sheikh Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Humaid wrote from Al-Masida-al-Haram, Makka, Saudi Arabia on "Fighting In the Cause of Allah" and I quote:

"As is now obvious, at first "the fight" was forbidden [V. 2:106 (which Eman quoted)],
then it was permitted [V. 22:39-40] and after that it was made obligatory_
(1) against them who start "the fight" against you (Muslims)
(2)and against all those who worship others along with Allah... as mentioned
in Surah Al-Baqarah (II)'Al- Imran (iii) and Tauba (ix) and other Surah
(quote from his lecture notes after the Summary of sahih Al-Bukhari, a hadith; Surah refers to
chapters of the Qur'an)Before I quote the verses in the Qur'an, I want to say that it won't be fair to generalize and call all Muslims wicked or such. I have had Muslim friends who were serious about their religion [well, sincerely, I don't think they were in view of some of the verses I will quote which the Shiekh approved; they are only faithful to what they believed the true God is( which is Love) rather than what the Qur'an really says; another option is ignorance or some would have left Islam] yet loving, as well as some who laughed with Christians when with them and use strong abusive languuge against them when among their Muslim colleagues.
For the former I believe they should rather be Christians than stay in the religion their being cannot approve of its intolerance.

The Qur'an says and I quote:

"Go ye forth whether (equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons in the cause of Allah. That is the best for you if you (but know). Surah (9:41)

That didn't sound like intellectual fight. Did it?

Note that the Sheikh quoted above made mention of Surah Tauba (ix). The next quote is also from there:
"O ye who believe! Fight the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you: and know that Allah is with them that fear Him" (Surah 9:123)

And if you wonder why many Muslims clamor for an Islamic law even in foreign lands while they will not permit non-Muslims to freely practice their religion in many Islamic nations, you need to read the next:

"Is it pagan laws that they wish to be judged by? Who is a better judge than Allah for men whose faith is firm '(Surah 5:50)
The next verse is even more outrageous and unlike the "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you" that Jesus preached and exemplified ( Luke 6: 27-28; 23:34) :

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends and protectors. They are friends and protectors of one another. Whoever of you seek their friendship and supports them shall become one of their number. Allah does not give guidance to wrong doers"
You should understand why a comment could be made in Europe about Islam by an unknown individual and some Muslims in Africa will start killing Christians and burning down Churches. It is not that those people are extremists, they are trying to do their best to obey the person they believe is God. If they won't obey him, they shouldn't claim to worship him in the first place.
And these verses are at the back of the mind of many Muslims as they spread to Western countries from theirs and as Islamic nations 'partner' with others. They can do anything so far the end result would mean the propagation of Islam. They've been told their religion will dominate the world.

I hope my comment has helped someone understand Muslims better. The Qur'an is the real issue not them.

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1West's guilty past [163 words]B.N.GururajJul 19, 2010 04:16175748
british approach to islamic terror [37 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:41174345
"ANTI ISLAMIST MUSLIMS" [150 words]donvanJun 6, 2010 17:34173961
4Gamal Abd al-Nasser and al-ikhwan al-muslimeen [340 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 14:22173950
5Father Zakaria Botros and his warnings to the West about islam and al-ikhwan al-muslimeen and about the likes of Faisal Abdul Rauf [167 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:51173930
Europe is irrevocably doomed [81 words]MorrisMay 31, 2010 16:02173589
2Saving the west... [128 words]donvanJun 9, 2010 15:24173589
By definition... [5 words]gfmucciMay 30, 2010 14:07173543
America nurtured Bin Laden & Al-Qaeda [152 words]Nafata BamagujeMay 28, 2010 16:08173489
Communists, Panslavists and Islamists [51 words]LukaMay 30, 2010 22:56173489
1Correction [200 words]No DhimmiJun 2, 2010 01:20173489
No Dhimmi: So what [14 words]dhimmi much moreJun 24, 2010 02:29173489
political islam=radical islam [135 words]mythMay 28, 2010 11:14173483
...what make you so objective [116 words]WarfaJun 9, 2010 05:07173483
what I mean by political islam [116 words]mythJun 10, 2010 04:55173483
Video: Pakistanis Believe It's a Setup [63 words]Mark D.May 26, 2010 18:18173430
An orchard of information [20 words]AlanaMay 26, 2010 13:34173425
excellent: thanks [31 words]Alana RonaldMay 26, 2010 13:25173424
addional info re: How Islamists came to dominate European Islam [70 words]David KestMay 26, 2010 12:47173422
The stupidity continues [79 words]VijayMay 26, 2010 12:40173420
Can we truly complain? [95 words]Peter HerzMay 26, 2010 10:55173418
2"Two great tribes of modern barbarians" [249 words]IanusMay 27, 2010 07:28173418
Pan-Islam[ism] [304 words]trans-parereMay 26, 2010 00:02173406
The West followed the policy of 'Set a thief to catch a thief'. [77 words]M.D.May 25, 2010 18:13173393
Crucial Book with Possible Unintended Consequences [25 words]AlexMay 25, 2010 18:12173392
Response to "How Islamists Came to Dominate European Islam" [150 words]Mark PrestonMay 25, 2010 16:12173387
NONE SO BLIND [41 words]KEN PERLMANMay 25, 2010 16:06173386
1Allah for Hitler and America for Allah [751 words]IanusMay 25, 2010 16:05173385
1All Muslims are Islamists. Period!!! [129 words]JaladhiJun 13, 2010 18:37173385
Islam is finding its way out [337 words]Rizzi ElahiMay 25, 2010 16:01173384
2Do you want to help Allah and His prophet ? Kill critics of Islam as Mohammed (pbuh) did ! [242 words]IanusMay 27, 2010 08:48173384
1where do you live? [113 words]kid berthaMay 27, 2010 14:40173384
Islam is finding its way out [34 words]Rizzi ElahiMay 28, 2010 00:17173384
1just give up [448 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 28, 2010 20:10173384
excellent appraisal [111 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 28, 2010 20:16173384
Nation of Islam [29 words]Joe Six-PackMay 30, 2010 17:24173384
do you know what is ISNAD? of course not... [473 words]EmanJun 1, 2010 05:23173384
2Asma bint Marwan on al Buraq ? [137 words]IanusJun 2, 2010 19:02173384
living in the past [351 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 3, 2010 05:40173384
3You need to stick to Urdu our dear Eman [905 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:27173384
One more victim of Arabian imperialism [81 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 14:29173384
1The murder of Asma' Bint Marawan made it to Muhamad's biography and how come you did not know that? [148 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 15:36173384
@dhimmi no more [810 words]Rizzi ElahiJun 7, 2010 21:35173384
3unbelievable [616 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 9, 2010 05:49173384
Cherry picking time and our dear Rizzi and he is saying that islam was indeed spread by the sword and as if we did not know [510 words]dhimmi no moreJun 9, 2010 06:33173384
"No harm...?" [108 words]donvanJun 9, 2010 10:43173384
Islam, [302 words]GeoffJun 9, 2010 17:37173384
translation needed [16 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 10, 2010 05:39173384
To Support Rizzi Elahi's point of view [65 words]MansoorJun 10, 2010 07:51173384
1Oh our dear mansoor the wannabe Arab is back [208 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2010 18:59173384
Father Zakaria Botros [126 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2010 19:33173384
translation [46 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 11, 2010 03:51173384
Mansoor: Allah says He has made unbelievers to fill hell with them [240 words]PlatoJun 11, 2010 06:35173384
1Good muslim, bad muslim routine [545 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 11, 2010 18:58173384
2Zakaria Botros and the hadith and read and laugh! So much for islam [519 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2010 08:23173384
Where the hell is hell??? [308 words]JaladhiJun 12, 2010 17:40173384
so - although it was almost too bizarre to believe - it was true after all. [183 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 12, 2010 23:04173384
that's it in a nutshell. [140 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 12, 2010 23:11173384
rizzi [117 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:04173384
Father Zakaria Botros and Muslims [393 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2010 18:47173384
references needed [234 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 16, 2010 06:25173384
The amazing hadith! [19 words]dhimmi no moreJun 17, 2010 06:13173384
Looking forward to it. [35 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 18, 2010 05:18173384
2The amazing hadith! The Urine tradition and other sordid traditions! Read and laugh [530 words]dhimmi no moreJun 19, 2010 09:01173384
'..sweat sweeter than perfume..' 'musk-smelling farts'.... etc etc [172 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 20, 2010 03:06173384
and there's more [32 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 20, 2010 03:12173384
The amazing hadith revisited [110 words]dhimmi no moreJun 21, 2010 07:07173384
crime and punishment [122 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 22, 2010 05:12173384
The amazing hadith revisited again [100 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2010 06:23173384
Sheiks, mufti, imams, mullahs etc all full of the same [588 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 24, 2010 05:01173384
The very amazing hadith [1032 words]dhimmi no moreJun 25, 2010 06:48173384
The great people of Italy and islamic nonsense [81 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2010 15:45173384
My apologies, but I could not resist laughing [36 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2010 15:03173381
neither me [43 words]true believerMay 30, 2010 18:34173381
We are still making the same mistakes today, look how nice we are to people like the Saudi royal family, ( money backers of terror) [112 words]Phil GreendMay 25, 2010 12:29173377
ALLAH SAYS ISLAM WILL BE A MODERATE RELIGION, SO ITS POINTLESS TO HAVE COWARDS TO WORK FOR ISLAM,. [106 words]GODMAN ENZOMay 25, 2010 11:26173372
How Islamists came to dominate European Islam [78 words]Vinod SethiMay 25, 2010 11:23173371
Islamists dominate European Islam [254 words]Carmen Waggoner, Ph.D.May 25, 2010 10:36173366
a short reply... [410 words]EmanMay 28, 2010 09:27173366
dream an impossible dream [909 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 29, 2010 21:04173366
1belive me I am wide awake...are you? [1078 words]EmanMay 31, 2010 15:35173366
perpetuating the harm [464 words]trans-parereJun 1, 2010 05:05173366
learning from the wisdom sheiks [2621 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 1, 2010 07:13173366
Political Islam [261 words]Joe Six-PackJun 1, 2010 09:47173366
'Extremists' are the True Muslims [726 words]AyokunleJun 3, 2010 15:41173366
a little bit of taqiyya goes a long way [40 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 4, 2010 19:30173366
No excuses & no justifications [405 words]trans-parereJun 4, 2010 22:31173366
Eman: About Islamic insults, Islamic swords etc [3012 words]PlatoJun 6, 2010 01:08173366
our dae Eman and al-nasikh wa al-manuskh and la ikrah fi al-deen nusikhat bi ayat al-sayf [104 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:33173366
Oh the "read Qur'an" topos [145 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:39173366
Trans-perere: Allah does not give any choice [152 words]PlatoJun 7, 2010 01:11173366
Choice is not Allah's, choice is yours [465 words]trans-parereJun 7, 2010 22:30173366
Dear dhimmi no more [16 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:27173366
Islamization of the Islamists [188 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiMay 25, 2010 10:14173364
dear ghulam from bombay [55 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:24173364

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