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Submitted by Ianus (Poland), May 25, 2010 at 16:05

I am very grateful for this review and some personal recollections of Dr. Pipes . Although representing America's interests Dr. Pipes tries to face many vagaries and treachery of US policy as e.g. when he exposed how American official policy undermines Israel or now when he draws our attention to the sad fact of how deep the US policy has been involved in strengthening Islam . True , Dr. Pipes faithful to his idiosyncrasy speaks of "Islamists" , where a pedestrian reader like myself sees just "Moslems" .

Dr. Pipes brilliantly reviews how the legacy of Islamofascism - which he mentioned in an earlier article -has been utilized by the official US agencies to promote the unholy alliance between America and Islam . Frankly speaking , I wasn't aware of how deep and remote roots this unholy alliance has got . I knew about Roosevelt's secret dealings and promises to ibn Saud to thwart the Jewish efforts to create their state . I knew also about massive use of ex-Nazis by the Americans . But the Moslem scheme of the US is something new to me . It's revealing though and alas confirms my impressions and strong suspicions about America's real objectives and principles. It seems now that America is as treacherous and unreliable as its Moslem darlings , being ready to sell us all to the Moslem devil if it could thereby gain some political and/or economic profits as it did sell the Balkans to Moslems in the 1990-ies. What I was aware is a later stage of this post WWII alliance during its heyday in the American-sponsored jihad in Afghanistan and on the Balkans sealed with the creation of two fully-fledged Moslem states of Bosnia and Kosovo by America . I had no clue that this perfidy all started as early as 1945.

Another thing that comes to my mind on reading the article is that after all one has to be amazed by flexiblity , total lack of principle and the really Protean nature of Islam which does join hands with any possible power as well as its opponent to promote its own rise to power , to enhance its secret aims to dominate the world . Islam's unholy alliances have included not just Hitler , Mussolini or Franco . They have included both capitalism and communism , nationalism and Catholicism , multiculturalism and racism ... Whether the useful idiot is called Roosevelt , Reagan, Brzezinski , Clinton , Bush or Obama or Hitler or Lenin is not important as long as the cause of Allah profits from it . Most kafirs in power still seem not to understand this diabolical logic and single-mindedness of Islam and continue to play its dirty game.

One more comment . Dr. Pipes writes :

"Johnson opens with a review of the systematic Nazi efforts to recruit Soviet Muslims from among their prisoners of war. Many Muslims loathed Stalin; and between 150,000 and 300,000 of them fought for the Axis in World War II."

There is an interesting, well-documented study in Russian by Oleg Valentinovich Romanko , Moslem legions during WWII, Moscow 2004 , on the issue . It gives the number of Soviet Moslem volunteers between 290 000 -305 000 out of the total of 415 000 – 440 000 Moslems who openly fought for Hitler .

We read : "during WWII c. 2 000 000 men with foreign citizenship served in the German Armed Forces which amounts to c. 12% of the total personnel of the German Armed Forced that between 1939-1945 numbered c. 17 000 000. With such a number of men c. 157 German infantry divisions or analogous units could be formed and manned. [...] It can be safely said that between 1941-1945 c. 415 000 - 440 000 Moslem volunteers served in the German armed Forces in the following categories.

-Arabs and Moslems from India - 5000 and 2000 correspondigly

- Moslems from the Balkans c. 115 000 -125 000

- Soviet Moslems c. 290 000 and 305 000

It amounts to 22-23% of all the foreign volunteers and 2,5-2,6% of all the German Armed Forces between 1939-1945. [...] With this amount of Moslem volunteers 34-35 German infantry divisions or analogous units could be formed and manned [...] Besides, the Moslem SS men had a privileged position withing the foreign SS volunteers. They enjoyed practically the same rights as German soldiers which was not the case for other non-Moslem foreign volunteers in the SS." [Ibidem, p. 227-231]

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1West's guilty past [163 words]B.N.GururajJul 19, 2010 04:16175748
british approach to islamic terror [37 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:41174345
"ANTI ISLAMIST MUSLIMS" [150 words]donvanJun 6, 2010 17:34173961
4Gamal Abd al-Nasser and al-ikhwan al-muslimeen [340 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 14:22173950
5Father Zakaria Botros and his warnings to the West about islam and al-ikhwan al-muslimeen and about the likes of Faisal Abdul Rauf [167 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:51173930
Europe is irrevocably doomed [81 words]MorrisMay 31, 2010 16:02173589
2Saving the west... [128 words]donvanJun 9, 2010 15:24173589
By definition... [5 words]gfmucciMay 30, 2010 14:07173543
America nurtured Bin Laden & Al-Qaeda [152 words]Nafata BamagujeMay 28, 2010 16:08173489
Communists, Panslavists and Islamists [51 words]LukaMay 30, 2010 22:56173489
1Correction [200 words]No DhimmiJun 2, 2010 01:20173489
No Dhimmi: So what [14 words]dhimmi much moreJun 24, 2010 02:29173489
political islam=radical islam [135 words]mythMay 28, 2010 11:14173483
...what make you so objective [116 words]WarfaJun 9, 2010 05:07173483
what I mean by political islam [116 words]mythJun 10, 2010 04:55173483
Video: Pakistanis Believe It's a Setup [63 words]Mark D.May 26, 2010 18:18173430
An orchard of information [20 words]AlanaMay 26, 2010 13:34173425
excellent: thanks [31 words]Alana RonaldMay 26, 2010 13:25173424
addional info re: How Islamists came to dominate European Islam [70 words]David KestMay 26, 2010 12:47173422
The stupidity continues [79 words]VijayMay 26, 2010 12:40173420
Can we truly complain? [95 words]Peter HerzMay 26, 2010 10:55173418
2"Two great tribes of modern barbarians" [249 words]IanusMay 27, 2010 07:28173418
Pan-Islam[ism] [304 words]trans-parereMay 26, 2010 00:02173406
The West followed the policy of 'Set a thief to catch a thief'. [77 words]M.D.May 25, 2010 18:13173393
Crucial Book with Possible Unintended Consequences [25 words]AlexMay 25, 2010 18:12173392
Response to "How Islamists Came to Dominate European Islam" [150 words]Mark PrestonMay 25, 2010 16:12173387
NONE SO BLIND [41 words]KEN PERLMANMay 25, 2010 16:06173386
1Allah for Hitler and America for Allah [751 words]IanusMay 25, 2010 16:05173385
1All Muslims are Islamists. Period!!! [129 words]JaladhiJun 13, 2010 18:37173385
Islam is finding its way out [337 words]Rizzi ElahiMay 25, 2010 16:01173384
2Do you want to help Allah and His prophet ? Kill critics of Islam as Mohammed (pbuh) did ! [242 words]IanusMay 27, 2010 08:48173384
1where do you live? [113 words]kid berthaMay 27, 2010 14:40173384
Islam is finding its way out [34 words]Rizzi ElahiMay 28, 2010 00:17173384
1just give up [448 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 28, 2010 20:10173384
excellent appraisal [111 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 28, 2010 20:16173384
Nation of Islam [29 words]Joe Six-PackMay 30, 2010 17:24173384
do you know what is ISNAD? of course not... [473 words]EmanJun 1, 2010 05:23173384
2Asma bint Marwan on al Buraq ? [137 words]IanusJun 2, 2010 19:02173384
living in the past [351 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 3, 2010 05:40173384
3You need to stick to Urdu our dear Eman [905 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:27173384
One more victim of Arabian imperialism [81 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 14:29173384
1The murder of Asma' Bint Marawan made it to Muhamad's biography and how come you did not know that? [148 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 15:36173384
@dhimmi no more [810 words]Rizzi ElahiJun 7, 2010 21:35173384
3unbelievable [616 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 9, 2010 05:49173384
Cherry picking time and our dear Rizzi and he is saying that islam was indeed spread by the sword and as if we did not know [510 words]dhimmi no moreJun 9, 2010 06:33173384
"No harm...?" [108 words]donvanJun 9, 2010 10:43173384
Islam, [302 words]GeoffJun 9, 2010 17:37173384
translation needed [16 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 10, 2010 05:39173384
To Support Rizzi Elahi's point of view [65 words]MansoorJun 10, 2010 07:51173384
1Oh our dear mansoor the wannabe Arab is back [208 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2010 18:59173384
Father Zakaria Botros [126 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2010 19:33173384
translation [46 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 11, 2010 03:51173384
Mansoor: Allah says He has made unbelievers to fill hell with them [240 words]PlatoJun 11, 2010 06:35173384
1Good muslim, bad muslim routine [545 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 11, 2010 18:58173384
2Zakaria Botros and the hadith and read and laugh! So much for islam [519 words]dhimmi no moreJun 12, 2010 08:23173384
Where the hell is hell??? [308 words]JaladhiJun 12, 2010 17:40173384
so - although it was almost too bizarre to believe - it was true after all. [183 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 12, 2010 23:04173384
that's it in a nutshell. [140 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 12, 2010 23:11173384
rizzi [117 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:04173384
Father Zakaria Botros and Muslims [393 words]dhimmi no moreJun 14, 2010 18:47173384
references needed [234 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 16, 2010 06:25173384
The amazing hadith! [19 words]dhimmi no moreJun 17, 2010 06:13173384
Looking forward to it. [35 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 18, 2010 05:18173384
2The amazing hadith! The Urine tradition and other sordid traditions! Read and laugh [530 words]dhimmi no moreJun 19, 2010 09:01173384
'..sweat sweeter than perfume..' 'musk-smelling farts'.... etc etc [172 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 20, 2010 03:06173384
and there's more [32 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 20, 2010 03:12173384
The amazing hadith revisited [110 words]dhimmi no moreJun 21, 2010 07:07173384
crime and punishment [122 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 22, 2010 05:12173384
The amazing hadith revisited again [100 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2010 06:23173384
Sheiks, mufti, imams, mullahs etc all full of the same [588 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 24, 2010 05:01173384
The very amazing hadith [1032 words]dhimmi no moreJun 25, 2010 06:48173384
The great people of Italy and islamic nonsense [81 words]dhimmi no moreJun 27, 2010 15:45173384
My apologies, but I could not resist laughing [36 words]Straight_Talk_LuigiMay 25, 2010 15:03173381
neither me [43 words]true believerMay 30, 2010 18:34173381
We are still making the same mistakes today, look how nice we are to people like the Saudi royal family, ( money backers of terror) [112 words]Phil GreendMay 25, 2010 12:29173377
ALLAH SAYS ISLAM WILL BE A MODERATE RELIGION, SO ITS POINTLESS TO HAVE COWARDS TO WORK FOR ISLAM,. [106 words]GODMAN ENZOMay 25, 2010 11:26173372
How Islamists came to dominate European Islam [78 words]Vinod SethiMay 25, 2010 11:23173371
Islamists dominate European Islam [254 words]Carmen Waggoner, Ph.D.May 25, 2010 10:36173366
a short reply... [410 words]EmanMay 28, 2010 09:27173366
dream an impossible dream [909 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 29, 2010 21:04173366
1belive me I am wide awake...are you? [1078 words]EmanMay 31, 2010 15:35173366
perpetuating the harm [464 words]trans-parereJun 1, 2010 05:05173366
learning from the wisdom sheiks [2621 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 1, 2010 07:13173366
Political Islam [261 words]Joe Six-PackJun 1, 2010 09:47173366
'Extremists' are the True Muslims [726 words]AyokunleJun 3, 2010 15:41173366
a little bit of taqiyya goes a long way [40 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 4, 2010 19:30173366
No excuses & no justifications [405 words]trans-parereJun 4, 2010 22:31173366
Eman: About Islamic insults, Islamic swords etc [3012 words]PlatoJun 6, 2010 01:08173366
our dae Eman and al-nasikh wa al-manuskh and la ikrah fi al-deen nusikhat bi ayat al-sayf [104 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:33173366
Oh the "read Qur'an" topos [145 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:39173366
Trans-perere: Allah does not give any choice [152 words]PlatoJun 7, 2010 01:11173366
Choice is not Allah's, choice is yours [465 words]trans-parereJun 7, 2010 22:30173366
Dear dhimmi no more [16 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:27173366
Islamization of the Islamists [188 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiMay 25, 2010 10:14173364
dear ghulam from bombay [55 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:24173364

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