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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 6, 2010 at 11:27

Our dear Eman who is no more than one more victim of the Arabs and their imperialism wrote

>This totally proves that you pick and choose what suits you without really knowing what are you talking about...you have to understand that Islam is much deeper and systematic than you can ever imagine, it is PERFECT.

It sounds like Muslims to me

>Read the rest on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_of_hadith

Oh the great wikipedia so you cannot read or write Arabic right darling? Oh the Paki "Read Qur'an topos" Now it is "read Wikipedia" sobanallah

>What is sanad?

ROTFL sanad? Darling it is isnad and you ain't no Arab and by the way the word sanad in the language of your masters the arabs means he supports so who is the he and what is supporting. You need to stick to Urdu

For the readers the Muslim 3ulama realized early on that there were lots of bogus ahadith (plural of hadith or the sayings attributed to a certain Arabian warlord and caravan raider) and in typical Muslim fashion they had to invent the idea of al-isnad and not your bogus sanad but again they did not realize that if you can create bogus ahadith then you can indeed create bogus isnad so much for the Muslim mind

But Muslims realized that indeed al-isnad can be fabricated so they had to invent and write books to check on the names of those mentioned in al-isnad and when all failed they divided al-ahadith into sahih wa da3eef and only allhu a3lam and then it goes on and on

Rational Muslims and they exist realized that this is all waste of time and that al-ahadith from A to Z are all bogus and now we have The Qur'an only Muslims right our dear Eman the wannabe Arab?

> what is matn?

al-matn is the substance of the hadith but in typical Muslim fashion as long as al-isnad is correct then the matn of the hadith must be correct so we have ahadith sahiha like for example rida3at al-kabeer (I'm just curious would you allow your daughter to breast feed an adult employee that work with her as per this hadith that is sahih?) and that drinking the urine of al-ba3eer or the camel can cure many diseases so do you drink camel's urine our dear Eman?

So much for the matn

>The Science of hadith (Arabic: علم الحديث ) is a general category consisting of the numerous disciplines used in the study of hadith.[1] It is the process that Muslim scholars use to evaluate hadith, utilizing hadith terminology. It has been described by one hadith specialist, Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti, as the science of the principles by which the conditions of both the sanad,

ROTFL it is isnad

>the chain of narration, and the matn, the text of the hadith, are known. This science is concerned with the sanad and the matn with its objective being distinguishing the sahih, authentic, from other than it…The following is taken from http://ebrahimsaifuddin.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-false-account-of-asma-bint-marwan/The False Account of Asma bint Marwanby Ebrahim SaifuddinProphet Muhammad(Salla Allahualihi Wasallam) has been accused of ordering the killing of Asma bint Marwan after she had insulted him(saw) through her poetry. She was a poetess and a mother for whose death our Prophet(saw) is being held responsible.Any student of Islam knows that the life of Prophet Muhammad(saw) has been described in detail in what he call the "Ahadith". Ahadith in whole are basically collected stories, events, actions of the Prophet(saw). However not all the stories transmitted down by a chain of narrators are cent percent true. There are many sahih, hasan, da'eef (weak) ahadith. For Muslims it was very important to develop a science of hadith to separate truth from falsehood.There are two places where this story about the killing of Asma bint Marwan has been reported and those are:

For the readers ALL THE HADITH literature bogus and it is late and it is anachronistic and no hadith can be linked to Muhammad not a single one

>1) Kitab at-Tabaqat al-Kabirand2) Kinz ul Ummal

ROTFL Paki Arabic it is Kinz al-3umal or the treasure of the workers

>In Kinz ul Ummal this story is related under number 44131 and has been attributed to three people namely Ibn Asaker, Ibn Sad and Ibn Adiyy.

Then if your islamic books or kutub al-turath al-islami are not correct then destory them is this asking for much

>Ibn Adiyy is also the author of the book Al-Kamel and in that book he has mentioned this incident and on the authority of Jafar Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu'abi on authority of Ibn 'Abbas, he has added the following:

For the readers: It is islamic delusions

>this isnad (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it. (Al-Kamel Vol 6, pg. 145)Ibn al-Gawzi in his book Al-Ilal (Vol. 1, pg. 279) mentioned that this report was false. This report is also listed among other flawed reports.

How do you know it is flawed? You do not know right?

>Hence in conclusion this report is nothing but a fabricated lie – a forgery and should be discarded.

I urge you to abandon islam and be free again

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1West's guilty past [163 words]B.N.GururajJul 19, 2010 04:16175748
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1Correction [200 words]No DhimmiJun 2, 2010 01:20173489
No Dhimmi: So what [14 words]dhimmi much moreJun 24, 2010 02:29173489
political islam=radical islam [135 words]mythMay 28, 2010 11:14173483
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what I mean by political islam [116 words]mythJun 10, 2010 04:55173483
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NONE SO BLIND [41 words]KEN PERLMANMay 25, 2010 16:06173386
1Allah for Hitler and America for Allah [751 words]IanusMay 25, 2010 16:05173385
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Islam is finding its way out [337 words]Rizzi ElahiMay 25, 2010 16:01173384
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1where do you live? [113 words]kid berthaMay 27, 2010 14:40173384
Islam is finding its way out [34 words]Rizzi ElahiMay 28, 2010 00:17173384
1just give up [448 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 28, 2010 20:10173384
excellent appraisal [111 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 28, 2010 20:16173384
Nation of Islam [29 words]Joe Six-PackMay 30, 2010 17:24173384
do you know what is ISNAD? of course not... [473 words]EmanJun 1, 2010 05:23173384
2Asma bint Marwan on al Buraq ? [137 words]IanusJun 2, 2010 19:02173384
living in the past [351 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 3, 2010 05:40173384
3You need to stick to Urdu our dear Eman [905 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:27173384
One more victim of Arabian imperialism [81 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 14:29173384
1The murder of Asma' Bint Marawan made it to Muhamad's biography and how come you did not know that? [148 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 15:36173384
@dhimmi no more [810 words]Rizzi ElahiJun 7, 2010 21:35173384
3unbelievable [616 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 9, 2010 05:49173384
Cherry picking time and our dear Rizzi and he is saying that islam was indeed spread by the sword and as if we did not know [510 words]dhimmi no moreJun 9, 2010 06:33173384
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Islam, [302 words]GeoffJun 9, 2010 17:37173384
translation needed [16 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 10, 2010 05:39173384
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1Oh our dear mansoor the wannabe Arab is back [208 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2010 18:59173384
Father Zakaria Botros [126 words]dhimmi no moreJun 10, 2010 19:33173384
translation [46 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 11, 2010 03:51173384
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1Good muslim, bad muslim routine [545 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 11, 2010 18:58173384
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that's it in a nutshell. [140 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 12, 2010 23:11173384
rizzi [117 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:04173384
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references needed [234 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 16, 2010 06:25173384
The amazing hadith! [19 words]dhimmi no moreJun 17, 2010 06:13173384
Looking forward to it. [35 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 18, 2010 05:18173384
2The amazing hadith! The Urine tradition and other sordid traditions! Read and laugh [530 words]dhimmi no moreJun 19, 2010 09:01173384
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and there's more [32 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 20, 2010 03:12173384
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crime and punishment [122 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 22, 2010 05:12173384
The amazing hadith revisited again [100 words]dhimmi no moreJun 23, 2010 06:23173384
Sheiks, mufti, imams, mullahs etc all full of the same [588 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 24, 2010 05:01173384
The very amazing hadith [1032 words]dhimmi no moreJun 25, 2010 06:48173384
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neither me [43 words]true believerMay 30, 2010 18:34173381
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dream an impossible dream [909 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanMay 29, 2010 21:04173366
1belive me I am wide awake...are you? [1078 words]EmanMay 31, 2010 15:35173366
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learning from the wisdom sheiks [2621 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 1, 2010 07:13173366
Political Islam [261 words]Joe Six-PackJun 1, 2010 09:47173366
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a little bit of taqiyya goes a long way [40 words]the Grand Infidel of KaffiristanJun 4, 2010 19:30173366
No excuses & no justifications [405 words]trans-parereJun 4, 2010 22:31173366
Eman: About Islamic insults, Islamic swords etc [3012 words]PlatoJun 6, 2010 01:08173366
our dae Eman and al-nasikh wa al-manuskh and la ikrah fi al-deen nusikhat bi ayat al-sayf [104 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:33173366
Oh the "read Qur'an" topos [145 words]dhimmi no moreJun 6, 2010 11:39173366
Trans-perere: Allah does not give any choice [152 words]PlatoJun 7, 2010 01:11173366
Choice is not Allah's, choice is yours [465 words]trans-parereJun 7, 2010 22:30173366
Dear dhimmi no more [16 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:27173366
Islamization of the Islamists [188 words]Ghulam Muhammed, MumbaiMay 25, 2010 10:14173364
dear ghulam from bombay [55 words]car313Jun 13, 2010 06:24173364

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