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So you say waging a Victorious War by Israel is the Answer....? But there will NO PEACE until the end...

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Submitted by Nicholas (Nick) J PAPADOPOULOS (New Zealand), Apr 29, 2010 at 18:15

At present there will be NO PEACE in the Middle East.

You are obviously a very pragmatic man Mr Pipes . Perhaps in the vein of the late Moshe Dayan ,and other Polish born or Polish background Israelis. But even Moshe Dayan did not wish to utterly crush his countries enemies. What you propose would only bring on the wrath of "The Nations" even faster on Yisrael ,and bring about the conclusion of this present age.

I agree ,Yisrael should not have given up the territories gained by the shedding of so much blood. They should have kept the lot. But what is done is done.

Looking at Yisrael's history- Yisrael has always fought in a defensive way. Even when she intiated a conflict as in siding with the Anglo-French forces in 1956 , and the suprise attack of the 7 day war -this was done for a defensive reason -to gain the upper hand before being attacked by her Arab neighbours.

Again I re-iterate that Yisrael would be tipping the balance against herself it she went for an all out total -war to the death as it were against the Palestinians. Or even a war to teach the Palestinians that they can not win. The Palestinians have never won a war yet with Yisrael but they will never ,ever give up trying.

You see right from the time of their Ancestor they believed the land that is now called Yisrael was theirs as their ancestor they believe was their Progenitors Oldest son hence his true heir whom they believe was usurped by a younger son. Try to teach a tribal people that this is not so....you will never succeed. This frame of thinking has existed for 4,000 years.

At the moment there will be NO PEACE- not whilst the USA, Russia , China, France,the UK ,and other smaller players still have arms to sell.

Wars continue as there is a need to have them to continue the Multy-Billion Dollar BUSINESS of Arms Manufacturing.

Tell me honestly why did the USA invade Iraq [ together with the UK of course] -it had nothing to do with Osama Bin Laden, or weapons of mass-destruction, it has all to do with business-the business of WAR !!! Of destruction ,and Reconstruction,it all adds up to billion$. Russia,France,the UK, and the USA have all made billions out of supplyingarms to Sadam Hussein...the USA and the UK and others [including to a lesser extent my own country of New Zealand.] have spent billions now in Iraq destroying its infra-structure and now trying to re-construct itall for the sake of the "Babylonian" Harlotry to Money.

Talking of wars I always think that it is so ironic that for a country that was first formed by Revolution to avoid taxation for foreign overseas- [ i.e. Englands 17th century European-]- wars the USA has now evolved in to a country that per capita must surely have taxpayers that pay the highest annual taxes for the maintenance of her armed forces to fight wars on foreign [ overseas] soil-except perhaps for Yisrael-but of course Yisrael's wars are right on her borders. It might be an interesting comparison perhaps to compare the USA and Israel as far as taxation and military spending goes.. Ahh....you say these warsof the USA are for defence , and for guarding the freedom of the USA....perhaps. Some wars that the USA has been involved with were justified. For example WW 2. But not justified merely to pusue the eating of McDonals & Dunkin Doughnuts, and imbibing of Coke , and other American traditions ...that guarantee THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS...[i.e. the American way of life =Recreation, and pusuit of enjoyment,and personal freedoms as versus DISCIPLINE and undergoing hardship]. Perhaps I am being unfair here. If the USA had not assisted the original ENTENTE in the First World War, and the original Allied powers in the second we in the rest of the Western world would surely have been speaking German ,or Russian ( had Stalin defeated Germany on his own).

To clarify a previous paragraph -I believe -The Middle -Eastern conflict has gone on for FOUR THOUSAND YEARS-not just since 1948. Ever since Abraham cast out his older son Ishmael and his mother [ the Coptic] Hagar the descendants of Ishmael-the progenitors of the Arabs have felt REJECTION and a desire to posses the land they believe with all their hearts is theirs by right-although I believe they are sincerely WRONG in this belief-the land belongs to the descendants of JACOB or Israel!!!!

I am sorry but ultimately US policy in the Middle-East will fail as it diid in Viet-Nam , and as it will in Afghanistan. You can not re-educate nations with thousands of years of a different attitude and culture using war as a tool , and then mega-US bucks- to try to WIN THE MINDS of these people-by reconstructing their infrastructure-and their style of Governance-their entire concept of mind is the antithesis of all Judeo-Christian hence by adoption or should that be Adaptation -Western culture and thinking including Democracy . lets not forget Democracy is FOR THE RICH and POWERFUL even in Ancient Athens where Democracy was conceived it was so -for the RICH and powerful. Lets not fool ourselves in to thinking otherwise. For example:- Yes Obama had a great victory, through people power-but let us see him now keep this victory against the business interests of the RICH and POWERFUL in the United States of America. That is what real "US Deamocracy is really ALL about"= Money and Powernot the wishes of the little people. Take a good look at your dollar note look at the eye of Horus on it,and the date on it- not the founding of the USA but the of the Illuminati= Money and Power !!!!

I am not about not liking Americans Mr Piper...I love Americans...[ and I have visited your country- LA and Boston-to see where your fight for "Democracy" began].but you have to admit you have made yourselves very unpopular through behaving boastfully over the decades. Many Nations envy the United States. She has philanthropically done much good around the world ,but she now needs to undo all the bad that she has also done for the sake of DIRTY POLITICS AND RICHES AND GAIN AND POWER-but I have vered much from the true topic of discussion -war ,victory ,and peace for Yisrael and the Middle -East, i apologise for that.

But back to my original posit . As a believer in Biblical prophecy I genuinelly from the heart believe the only final victory that Yisrael has is when her Messiah intervenes for her in the final battle when Israel's back will be against the wall. Until then there will be NO PEACE.

I wish you well. God bless you. PEACE be on Yisrael.

Regards,

Nick Papadopoulos.

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Daniel Pipes replies:

I did not write about crushing Israel's enemies but crushing their will - a big difference.

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