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Submitted by Nissim (United States), Mar 10, 2009 at 02:48

Dear Dr. Pipes,

For each of your four reasons i shall refute each one:

1."Morally wrong: This reason suffices unto itself. A government cannot force people to leave their homes only because they speak the wrong language, have the wrong faith, or pursue the wrong politics. Ethnic cleansing is unacceptable. (Also when it applies to Jews, by the way, such as those living in Gaza.)"

You are suggesting that Israel should commit suicide rather than upset a few people for a few years. You tend to disregard the fact that almost a million jews were expelled from foreign lands after the creation of the Jewish state; additionaly you suggest that this is morally wrong. Why is it morally wrong, you seem to believe that the survival of people treasonous to a state should be more important to a state which considers itself a jewsih state first and its own people second. Why would that be moral? And who is anybody in the west to preach morality to others. The West, the people who sit on the sidelines and exploit others, who watch genocide occur and do nothing. The Jewish people are eastern people with eastern morals.

Additionaly Cyprus case in point , did not seperating populations alleviate tensions, or are the Jews not allowed to follow past successes? To say ethnic cleansing unacceptable , is just a politically corect comment to attempt to take the moral high ground and is nothing more than semantics; and we all know where semantics leads us , nowhere ... No it is certainly acceptable to ethnically cleanse a treasonous population from ones midst, as a matter of fact it is morally reprehensable not to if one is a leader of a people.

2."Turns Israelis against their state: A sizeable portion of Israel's Jewish population would be alienated from a government that engaged in transfer. Some would leave Israel. The Zionist cause would suffer severe damage."

For a few years there might be a outcry, but too say sizeable portion is a lie, the 1.5 million or so Russian Jews would have no issue with it, they would do it gladly. The other 40 percent Sefardim would be glad to lash out at the Arab population for the last thousand years or so of torment. The Ashkenazic Jews would be split but the liberals would quack and shut up over time. So no it would certainly be worth it.

3."Infuriates the American ally: Israel, with a mere population of 7 million, depends heavily on its U.S. ally; transfer would prompt every American administration to engage in a basic rethinking of its alliance with Israel."

Israeli interests first, period. If the US is infuriated then so what, they cut us off from money, even better. Israel has made it on its own before and can do it again. The jewish state has the highest intelect percapita in the world they will make it. Additionaly the US government does not have Israels interest at hand so thier opinion is useless. US pressure only brings jewish deaths and destruction and countinues to cause interfighting among our people. The loss of the US would allow israel to do what Israel has to do for the Jewish statees needs and nobody else.

4."Inflames, not discourages, the Arab enemy: Wars end when one side gives up – and forced removals would not cause the Palestinians, much less their Arab and Muslim supporters, to give up their dream of eliminating the Jewish state. Rather, they would be outraged and agitated. The conflict would be extended, not resolved."

What you think they would give up their dream to destroy the Jewish State either way ... ? Arabs are a wild people, they will fight no matter what. They constantly attempt to kill us, we have gotten the point , they dont like us. Increasing the jewish majority would allow a unification of the Jewish people. Whoever said Israel was looking to resolve a conflict with an enemy bent on its destruction by capitulation to the weak mided idea. Nicolo Macciavelli's realisms lives on and is the only way to survive in a world of parasites, you a conservative should know this better than anyone.

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Israel's long term survival. [396 words]Reynald de ChatillonMar 15, 2018 02:13242481
2Conversion of Muslims to a moderate Islam or other moderate religions is the only solution [742 words]PrashantMar 16, 2018 17:15242481
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3Complete and irrefuteable rebuttal to Dr. Daniel Pipes [701 words]NissimMar 10, 2009 02:48152002
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1Right of return for everyone-- Jews need to return to Mecca and Medina [100 words]samFeb 28, 2009 02:02151289
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Your comment precisely underlines why Jerusalem is so important to Muslims that Mecca does not represent [46 words]Karole du PontOct 7, 2012 17:08151289
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1How about arab muslims removing their apartheid ? [91 words]samFeb 26, 2009 22:25151269
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24 reasons which sound convincing... [102 words]YidlmitnfidlFeb 25, 2009 20:09151180

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