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The smart Meccan pagans v Muhammad

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Mar 17, 2018 at 07:51

Prashant you wrote:

>the first victims of Islam were the local inhabitants of the region where Islam was founded.

Very true. The Meccan pagans loved the good life. They loved poetry, beautiful women, wine and they loved to loot. Their Aramaic speaking neighbors called them ܣܪܩܝܐ or sarqaya (Saracens) which really means thief/looter even in Arabic it is the same word: سارق or Sariq

The Meccan pagans did not like Muhammad and they made fun of him and it made it to the Qur'an. As an example Muhammad was telling the Meccan pagans the stories he heard from story tellers, of the far superior civilizations in the Middle East, the likes of the story of "The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus" and the story of "The Romance of Alexander" And like a real plagiarist he did not even get the stories as they were transmitted from the older civilizations And this also made it to the Qur'an where the Meccan pagans tell him that his so called stories from his so called God are no more than Asateer al-Awaleen or the "Fables of the Ancients"

But most damaging to Muhammad is the fact that the Meccan pagans were able to refute with ease Muhammad and his so called Tawheed (the unity of his God Allah) and yes it made it to Tafsir al-Tabari and this is from an old post of mine and the Sura is 112:

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Mar 17, 2012 at 09:09

Allah says is surat al-ikhlas that he is "one of" so who are the other gods besides Allah any guesses? and what a disaster the word ahad is a loan word from either Syriac or Hebrew in a book that claims to be Qurana 3Arabiyya (sic)

Now let us turn to al-Tabari so see what he says about this little disaster (you will find the same story in the sira by Ibn Ishaq pages 572-573)

1. He says that the word ahad should be wahid right our dear Amin? What a disaster he is correcting the author's poor Arabic

2. Then we have the funny story that is supposed to be sabab al-nuzul or the reason for revelation for this little gem and here we go

الْقَوْل فِي تَأْوِيل قَوْله تَعَالَى : { قُلْ هُوَ اللَّه أَحَد } ذُكِرَ أَنَّ الْمُشْرِكِينَ سَأَلُوا رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ نَسَب رَبّ الْعِزَّة , فَأَنْزَلَ اللَّه هَذَا السُّورَة جَوَابًا لَهُمْ . وَقَالَ بَعْضهمْ : بَلْ نَزَلَتْ مِنْ أَجْل أَنَّ الْيَهُود سَأَلُوهُ , فَقَالُوا لَهُ : هَذَا اللَّه خَلْق الْخَلْق , فَمَنْ خَلَقَ اللَّه ؟

So al-Tabari is saying that it was either the polytheists or may be the Jews that asked your so called prophet so which group was it the jews or the polytheists oh let me guess al-Tabari has no clue

For the readers the polytheists posed the following question to Muhammad: who Allah's nasab (read this as lineage or ancestors and also read it as who created Allah) and them the Jews asked Muhammad if Allah created this creation then who created Allah?

What a disaster: so who created Allah our dear Amin?

For the readers: this is the famous Aristotelian problem and the Jewish rabbis that lived with the Greeks and understood the profound Greek logic were exposing the God of Islam as no match to Greek logic. And the Jewish Rabbis never claimed that their ethnic God is the only God or that he is the God of any one else but the Jewish people but again this was beyond Allah and his rasul

Oh the polytheists? the idea of monotheism to them was a flawed idea as can be proven by simple Greek logic

Oh Neoplatonism? it was beyond Allah and his rasul but it made it to the Qur'an too and for the readers I will explain it more in the next post

Now let us turn back to al-Tabari to see Muhammad's response and with Gabriel's help we are told that the so called god of the universe revealed

{ قُلْ هُوَ اللَّه أَحَد

What a disaster Allah is one of! and not one!

Oh and then we are told

أَتَى رَهْط مِنْ الْيَهُود النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ , فَقَالُوا : يَا مُحَمَّد هَذَا اللَّه خَلَقَ الْخَلْق , فَمَنْ خَلَقَهُ ؟ فَغَضِبَ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ حَتَّى اِنْتَقَعَ لَوْنه ; ثُمَّ سَاوَرَهُمْ غَضَبًا لِرَبِّهِ , فَجَاءَهُ جِبْرِيل عَلَيْهِ السَّلَام فَسَكَّنَهُ , وَقَالَ : اِخْفِضْ عَلَيْك جَنَاحك يَا مُحَمَّد , وَجَاءَهُ مِنْ اللَّه جَوَاب مَا سَأَلُوهُ عَنْهُ . قَالَ : يَقُول اللَّه : { قُلْ هُوَ اللَّه أَحَد

And here the Jews are asking Muhammad if Allah created this creation then who created Allah? Oh it gets better: then Muhammad got angry! And his color was beet red! Oh and Gabriel comes to the help and tells him to lower his wing read this as cool it and take a chill pill! and then Allah revealed his the Allah is one of! and not one!

What a disaster Abul Qasim was having a hissy fit!

And as expected neither the jews nor the polytheists were satisfied with this poor and bogus answer and the Rabbis knew very well that this is no more than bogus circular reasoning and the Greeks would have rejected such answer so they went back and asked Muhammad more questions

But this was beyond Muhammad and his response was that he became angry again

فَغَضِبَ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَشَدّ مِنْ غَضَبه الْأَوَّل , وَسَاوَرَهُمْ غَضَبًا , فَأَتَاهُ جِبْرِيل فَقَالَ لَهُ مِثْل مَقَالَته , وَأَتَاهُ بِجَوَابِ مَا سَأَلُوهُ عَنْهُ

So instead of understanding the logical implications of his answer he becomes angry! What a disaster

Well the Jews and the polytheists were not happy with the answer and they asked him

قَالُوا : صِفْ لَنَا رَبّك كَيْفَ خَلْقه , وَكَيْفَ عَضُده , وَكَيْفَ ذِرَاعه

Or and this is interpretation: but how did he (Allah) do it and which limbs did he use?

Oh and yes Muhammad got mad again and yes Gabriel came to the help and Allah revealed 39:69 where Allah utters threats but never answer this very profound logical question!

Oh the Jews? I'm sure they left realizing that your so called prophet was no match to the Aristotelian logic

Oh and polytheists? they must have realized that Muhammad was no prophet and Allah and his rasul were no match to Greek logic"

And you can see Muhammad was not just a plagiarist but also using circular reasoning and his total lack of understanding the profound Greek logic

Both the Jews and the pagans of Mecca realized that Muhammad's monotheism is bogus

This very well explains why Muhammad's Allah revealed the vile "Ayat al-Sayf" of Q9:5 where the Meccan pagans were told either to convert to Islam (Islam Taslam) or be murdered by the sword

The smart Meccan pagans realized that "if you cannot beat them then join them" and the God of Muhammad told them they can continue to be thieves/looters or Sarqaya and the rest is history

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