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What Price Victory - What Price Peace

Reader comment on item: Poll: Israelis Want Victory, Preferably without Paying the Price

Submitted by M Tovey (United States), Jun 8, 2021 at 12:13

As Dr. Pipes has been contending for quite a considerable time now, Israel does not appear to be headed for peace soon; and victory is proposed as the only way such a season of calm could be achieved. Therein lays the conundrum; not everyone, indeed, very few, portray any modicum of activity that would lead to or possible achieve such an outcome: tragic to say the least. But in this modern time, what is portrayed as an enviable goal for a people that have endured generations and millennia of tragic circumstances and calamities few other have experienced, has been determined by powers of empire and their successorship such national security is not to be afforded the Jewish Nation; not now,nor ever.
As has been indicated in this forum, sometimes in eloquent narrative and sometimes in abject rejection of civil terms of common humanity, the Jewish Nation is subjected to these indignities for reason of Divine destiny and for the cause of bringing judgment to errant humanity for not seeking peace when called for.
The enmity between the Jewish Nation and neighboring humanity is historical, episodic and inevitable; as it is said: it is written. Are the Jewish people guiltless; by their own historical narrative, they are responsible to their HaShem; for obedience (or the lack thereof) to His commandments and seemingly general disregard (look as the disparaging engagement between the parties of the current government cannot make a determination of the rule of law-the Torah) for observing His statutes. They were told.
But how does that involve the nations today that appear intent on removing the Israeli presence and influences in the Middle East, indeed, in the world? Further, how is it they have not learned not to mess with Israel? What, besides an ancient motivation of questionable virtue, is it that compels such vitriol and enmity to the distraction of normal common humanity in desiring total annihilation?
The answer is actually spiritual; not religious as many would assert (for that is used in the negative connotation); the Hebrew Scriptures as written in the Tanakh specifies the collisions of destiny; but who's searching for that? Even Israelis are divided on that; how many think that returning to the Torah is going to bring them peace?
As Dr. Pipes notes: [Looking to the future, 82 percent agree that "There can be no appeasing Hamas; only by defeating it unequivocally can we bring this conflict to an end"; and the same percentage concurs more generally on the importance "for Israel to defeat its enemies," not just Palestinians. Likewise, 70 percent agree that "There can be no deals with terrorist organizations, only defeat. Israel must use all its military, diplomatic and economic means to crush Hamas' will to continue fighting."]
In essence, it appears hopeless, especially if they believe they will have to carry the load alone. It is this despair that the enemies of Israel count upon; that hatred of Israel has a greater world following than allowing the Jewish Nation State to continue. But here's a clue; one that has been promulgated before, but few are so confident. Another clue: watch the activities around the Temple Mount, a key factor stemming from the Eleven Days in May, a critical juncture. The down payment for peace had already been made. This is the payment period; and the people of Israel need to pay attention as the payment draws to a close. It is coming as a lump sum; who is really going to cover that cost since Israel already made the down payment? Again, there is a clue; and the forming government does not have it right.

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Title Commenter Date Thread
1Beware of "Unintended Consequences": PA vs. Hamas, et al [250 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
RobertJul 9, 2021 09:20269808
Collateral Damage Always Contentious - Yet Never-ending in Consequences of Such Clashes [291 words]M ToveyJul 10, 2021 13:06269808
1Palestinian Cohort and Demographics [459 words]RobertJul 2, 2021 11:32269415
Views of Victory Valued in Cost of Victims [476 words]M ToveyJul 2, 2021 18:37269415
1So, Victory Means Re-Installing the Palestinian Authority (Abbas) in Gaza? [138 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
RobertJun 29, 2021 09:33269263
2Israeli Victory - Against the World, or the Palestians? [85 words]RobertJun 26, 2021 14:25269030
1The truth should be Israel's Hasbara. [233 words]PrashantJun 27, 2021 19:38269030
That marriage of convenience [83 words]JeffJun 28, 2021 21:19269030
1Communist China and the Arab Spring [318 words]RobertJun 28, 2021 21:25269030
Arab Uprising Under Persian/Marxist Influences [299 words]M ToveyJul 1, 2021 18:42269030
4Civil War in Palestine (1948-2021) [516 words]RobertJun 23, 2021 06:51268714
4Russia vs. Turkey [401 words]RobertJun 22, 2021 11:27268647
1Intrigues of Empires Returning to Become Obstacles to Israeli Victory [126 words]M ToveyJun 22, 2021 15:52268647
True--but Understandable [534 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Stephen BermanJun 19, 2021 22:40268478
1People are ready to ray the price - if it is worth it [498 words]JT MeyerJun 15, 2021 11:38268259
2Hamas in Gaza Entails Viuctory for Israel [417 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
RobertJun 11, 2021 14:08268163
3"Paying the Price" = Zero Israeli Casualties [267 words]RobertJun 12, 2021 10:55268163
Change Government Does Not Have Victory in View [62 words]M ToveyJun 12, 2021 12:09268163
1Islamic way of thinking is wrong [107 words]PrashantJun 12, 2021 18:09268163
1Is Israel Victory humanly achievable? [55 words]PeterJun 9, 2021 14:34268074
Who wkll be doinv theactual fighting [64 words]Steven ShermanJun 11, 2021 10:58268074
Defense of the Political Will in Jeopardy When Resolve Does Not Match the Threat [95 words]M ToveyJun 14, 2021 00:35268074
Diffusion of Political Wills and Opinions Affecting Defense of Sovereignty [212 words]M ToveyJun 22, 2021 10:05268074
3Israel needs the kind of leadership that inspires victory [234 words]DaveJun 8, 2021 21:56268036
2It is NOT an Israel vs. Palestinian problem [192 words]PrashantJun 10, 2021 23:25268036
2A Matter Of Will [119 words]
w/response from Daniel Pipes
Gary SackJun 8, 2021 16:14268024
1Clash of Wills - Clash of Empires - Kingdom Victory [125 words]M ToveyJun 9, 2021 10:40268024
3Total Victory, Simple Victory [64 words]Gary SackJun 9, 2021 14:39268024
1What Price Victory - What Price Peace [605 words]M ToveyJun 8, 2021 12:13268011

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