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The very early Islamic literary sources an islamic law

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Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jan 23, 2015 at 09:22

Alex you wrote

but the various Caliphates of pre-modern Islamic history not only existed,

Well many historians believe that the so called al-Khulafa' al-Rashiduun never existed and indeed the very early Arabic/Muslim literary sources are silent about them and the first attested real historical character in the history of what was to become Islam is Mu'awiyya and again many historians now believe that he was a follower of the non Trinitarian Syro-Arabic Christianity and Islam did not exit this early on

Again the islamic historical tradition is the biggest literary fraud in mankind history

but also made real (if varied) attempts to enforce Shari'a law over all aspects the societies they governed.

Again many historians now believe that what was to become Islamic law did not drop from the sky and it is really Roman Law reshaped and Arabized (if you happen to believe Ignaz Godlziher) or it comes from provincial laws as was proven by Patricia Crone as in the case of Egypt and Syria and even the rule of the Qur'an in what was to become Islamic law was marginal at best and case in point is the Quranic al-jald v. al-rajm in regard to fornication

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