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Submitted by Debanjan Banerjee (India), May 28, 2012 at 12:29

"I will ignore the rest of your silly leftist talking points which have refuted over and over."

My response : Can you kindly identify which are my "leftist" talking points and how you have refuted them. For your benefits I am reposting it all over again.

I am afraid your definition of socialism does not stand the test of real world experiences. If the Western countries of late are piling up taxes upon the rich for paying the poor's lifestyles , then why there is so huge income equality present in almost all countries of the Western hemisphere ? In the US despite all the accusations of high taxes on the rich , it is the rich who control almost entirety of the economic growth in the last 30 years. In the US in particular the wages of the middle classes have become stagnant in the last 30 years according to many independent economists.

"Actually I seem to remember that the Occupy movements was overwhelmingly started by foolish middle class kids who majored in anthropology and French History all the while incurring massive student loan debt.And then being shocked ,shocked that they werent being offered six figure salaries."

My response : There are sudden ways to explain your above diatribe.

1. Now days thanks to Internet and social networks you do not need to get a major degree in Anthropology or French history. And I certainly do not think that Anthropology is a very bad option for career growth in the USA considering how much the US spends on spying on its own people as well as on the people all over the World. And you know what , the CIA has been using anthropologists for their own uses for quite a long time all over the World so if those white middle class kids were good at their studies in Anthropology they should have been able to get good jobs with CIA.

Now the question is why do you need to show a degree so that the prospective employers trust you. The real reason is that in the USA thanks to capitalist mindset , education has become a very profitable business and students are forced to take high-end loans since they without it they will not be able to have any jobs.

Not only that as Charles Murray polints out , having a masters is considered as prosperous and your way to greater success and recognition in the USA very much. And in a culture like the USA where there is too little caring for the interests of others , people want to do everything to get ahead in society.

Students are also allowed to so-called "pursuing their happiness through pursuing their dreams" which is another way for the banks to encourage them to go for unproductive and unworthy subjects such as celebratology , twitter , facebook etc so that they end up incurring huge loans.

I would say this is another way for the US establishment to encourage its students to join the much-maligned US army as an employment option for the last resort.

This is just the first step for the US to prepare its people for another unpopular and costly war probably against Iran/Syria.

So all these are basic reasons of the functioning of the capitalist culture that the American students face up huge loans and that is the reason they are on the streets.

"You dont have to do that, you can try austerity."

My response : Great , I guess the Greeks , Spaniards and others on the streets of Europe protesting vehemontly against their own elites' greed and nefarious dealings with the bankers would have something against you to say on that note.

"Great! Lets go back to the stone age!"

My response : It is always better to go back to something that has worked for centuries rather than work with something like for example the dollar-trade which has started showing decays and problems only after the first 60 years of its inception.

Yes, each nation should look after its own interests.But then there are trade offs, when it deals with rogue states such as above which threaten its allies.

My response : Can you kindly explain to me what is meant by this jargon "rogue state" and on which categories you do apply it ?

Dont expect the ally to extend credit,trade,intelligence, military expertise and a myriad of useful goods.

My response : Can you kindly explain to me what useful goods exactly the US have ever send to Turkey other than encouraging the military coups , civilian corruption , faulty intelligence and faulty and used techniques such as UAV-s which led to the death of innocent Kurdish civilians ?

Indigenous technology takes a long time for it to be a viable competitor against existing technology of the first world

My response : Can you kindly explain to me what are the so-called advantages of the first world technologies ?

First of all , from a Turkish viewpoint these are immensely costly and the worst thing is that these provide extra burdens on the Turkish economy.

Secondly , US systems are unreliable as proven in the tragic incidents in Uludere where faulty American technologies led to the death of innocent Kurds and thus again widening the problems ever more there.

Thirdly , US advanced weapons systems are never completely trustable since maintainance of the systems mean that the country which has been using the systems has to be always dependent upon their US counterparts for maintainance of the systems which are again a very costly matter since the US has always been reluctant to share the source code of their products.

Fourthly , the purchasing of these so-called advanced weapons systems ensure that a lot of underhand dealings ad corruption takes place.

Fifthly , Turkey do need to hold dialogue with the Kurds and not resort to UAV-s whose only purpose was indiscriminate killing without any remorse from their users.

These are only some of the reasons that I believe Turkey should avoid any entangled relations with the USA.

Take care

Debanjan

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