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So many words from Debanjan, but so little substance

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Submitted by Shishir (United Arab Emirates), May 30, 2012 at 05:40

"I will ignore the rest of your silly leftist talking points which have refuted over and over."

My response : Can you kindly identify which are my "leftist" talking points and how you have refuted them.

I need do no such thing, it is there for all to see.If you cant understand how its done, then its not my problem!

For your benefits I am reposting it all over again.

"Actually I seem to remember that the Occupy movements was overwhelmingly started by foolish middle class kids who majored in anthropology and French History all the while incurring massive student loan debt.And then being shocked ,shocked that they werent being offered six figure salaries."

My response : There are sudden ways to explain your above diatribe.

1. Now days thanks to Internet and social networks you do not need to get a major degree in Anthropology or French history. And I certainly do not think that Anthropology is a very bad option for career growth in the USA considering how much the US spends on spying on its own people as well as on the people all over the World. And you know what , the CIA has been using anthropologists for their own uses for quite a long time all over the World so if those white middle class kids were good at their studies in Anthropology they should have been able to get good jobs with CIA.

Hahaha! Indeed! Even a security state with global interests needs only a limited number of anthropologists!

Now the question is why do you need to show a degree so that the prospective employers trust you. The real reason is that in the USA thanks to capitalist mindset , education has become a very profitable business and students are forced to take high-end loans since they without it they will not be able to have any jobs.

Actually no one needs a loan to get an education, there are numerous other options such as attending first two years in community college (which is a fraction of university cost) ,attending an instate college,acquiring assistantships and on campus work.

Also I dont kow where you get the idea that a degree has anything to with a prospective employers trust! For that they usually resort to credit checks.

Not only that as Charles Murray points out , having a masters is considered as prosperous and your way to greater success and recognition in the USA very much. And in a culture like the USA where there is too little caring for the interests of others , people want to do everything to get ahead in society.

I dont know how you define "little caring for the interests of others" but leave that for now.You speak as if it is somehow demonic to want a masters degree in order to get ahead in life!There is nothing in going to college in order to learn a valuable trade which will help you make a comfortable livelihood.Your disdain for such an option smacks of elitism.

Students are also allowed to so-called "pursuing their happiness through pursuing their dreams" which is another way for the banks to encourage them to go for unproductive and unworthy subjects such as celebratology , twitter , facebook etc so that they end up incurring huge loans.

Yes...and how exactly is this different from what I stated...

I would say this is another way for the US establishment to encourage its students to join the much-maligned US army as an employment option for the last resort.

Hahahaha!Thanks for the laugh

This is just the first step for the US to prepare its people for another unpopular and costly war probably against Iran/Syria.

Debanjan,please.....I laughed enough for today...Please spare me anymore of your geopolitical "insights"

So all these are basic reasons of the functioning of the capitalist culture that the American students face up huge loans and that is the reason they are on the streets.

The majority of American students have neither such bloated loans neither a completely useless,its a minority of spoiled entitled brats who start this silly movement.

"You dont have to do that, you can try austerity."

My response : Great , I guess the Greeks , Spaniards and others on the streets of Europe protesting vehemontly against their own elites' greed and nefarious dealings with the bankers would have something against you to say on that note.

Yes I imagine, they will say that they wish they were the "elite" ie government servants doing as little work as possible while getting paid up to 100% more than the productive private sector.They would say that they are incredibly upset that they didnt get the chance to retire at 45 with a yearly pension of up to 200% of their annual salary.They would say that they feel cheated that they are unable to "work" 30 hours a week on the German dime.They would offer this "wisdom" and more and Im sure economic geniuses like you would march hand in hand with them on these issues.

"Great! Lets go back to the stone age!"

My response : It is always better to go back to something that has worked for centuries rather than work with something like for example the dollar-trade which has started showing decays and problems only after the first 60 years of its inception.

There is no point in responding to such utter stupidity.

Yes, each nation should look after its own interests.But then there are trade offs, when it deals with rogue states such as above which threaten its allies.

My response : Can you kindly explain to me what is meant by this jargon "rogue state" and on which categories you do apply it ?

You dont seem to understand a lot of things, and require constant explanation of the obvious.That is not my problem.

Dont expect the ally to extend credit,trade,intelligence, military expertise and a myriad of useful goods.

My response : Can you kindly explain to me what useful goods exactly the US have ever send to Turkey other than encouraging the military coups , civilian corruption , faulty intelligence and faulty and used techniques such as UAV-s which led to the death of innocent Kurdish civilians ?

Great so the U.S is responsible for the death of Kurdish civilians because it sold Turkey the weapons(unaware of their purpose) rather than Turkey for actually using.I am constantly astounded at your "logic"

Indigenous technology takes a long time for it to be a viable competitor against existing technology of the first world

My response : Can you kindly explain to me

Here we go again..

what are the so-called advantages of the first world technologies ?

I cant believe you ask such questions with a straight face.

First of all , from a Turkish viewpoint these are immensely costly and the worst thing is that these provide extra burdens on the Turkish economy.

Thats for the Turks to decide, if they feel that the costs and time incurred in building indigenous vis a vis ready made American systems is not worth it, thats their concern.

Secondly , US systems are unreliable as proven in the tragic incidents in Uludere where faulty American technologies led to the death of innocent Kurds and thus again widening the problems ever more there.

Leaving aside you swallowed wholesale the clumsy propaganda that the Turks killed Kurds by accident due to faulty American technology,let us address as if it were indeed the truth.If American technology was faulty ,what makes you think brand new untested indigenous technology wouldnt be?

Thirdly , US advanced weapons systems are never completely trustable since maintainance of the systems mean that the country which has been using the systems has to be always dependent upon their US counterparts for maintainance of the systems which are again a very costly matter since the US has always been reluctant to share the source code of their products.

Why would any country give away the source code as if it is some cheap confetti?Source code is a national security and economic issue, it makes absolutely no sense for them to give it away.

If the Turks are so smart, they can try and reverse engineer the weapons systems, which is what India did with Russian technology.

Fourthly , the purchasing of these so-called advanced weapons systems ensure that a lot of underhand dealings ad corruption takes place.

Corruption takes place in all transactions where a lot of money flow thrus, it wont change with indigenous technologies..

Fifthly , Turkey do need to hold dialogue with the Kurds and not resort to UAV-s whose only purpose was indiscriminate killing without any remorse from their users.

How kind of you recognize Kurdish interests, perhaps you can start by petitioning Turkey to not refer to them as "mountain Turks"

These are only some of the reasons that I believe Turkey should avoid any entangled relations with the USA.

Take care


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