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Submitted by Amin Riaz (United Kingdom), Aug 28, 2011 at 19:43

US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, though no good, are far more legitimate.

How do you then ... legitimise a killing of 100,000s of innocent people. US and Co. have killed far more in revenge. Also their tactics of DELIBRATELY targeting and killing massive amount of civilians are un-justifiable. So are drone attack especially used in Pakistan - than simply killed innocent people more than actually killing actual terrorists.

US government provides an authority that can be approached by any one who seeks peace.

Actaully - that is not job of US. That was why UN was setup. The reason US does not work is due to the strange VETO power system.

2) The power to start a violent act --even to defend the cause of Allah-- should be taken away from all individuals. So an individual muslim should not be allowed to kill any one even if he thinks that Islam is under attack.

I agree - but this is something very difficult to control and monitor. Lets look at scenarios outside Islam. Ireland - it took years and years for UK to negotiate peace. Israel - has not manage to control Palestinians hell bent on violence - preventative measures yes - total contol not yet.

3) Muslims should show that they are truly interested in peace. Instead of ignoring the terrisist acts and being aplogists about them, if moderate muslims actively oppose the acts of the terrorists, people will very soon start attributing credibility to muslims. How many muslims are there in London? A 100,000? If these Muslims ocme out on the street with candles in their hands and insisting that they will not tolerate, violence in the name of Islam, credibility will come to Islam.

Actually - this is exteremly ridiculous, idiotic, stupid thing to say. Why should EVERY single muslim IMPLICATE themselves in something - very very few people do? This is never going to happen. If your figures are correct and there are 100,000 Muslims in lodon - then they come from several ethnic and ideological backgrounds.

As far as condemning terrorism goes - Someone like Dr Tahir Ul Qadri - has severley condemned terrorism - by Web, Video, Books etc. Was invited to World Economic Forum and is beginning to get around. But has recieved very little international media coverage. He (some leading Muslim Scholars) intends to spread the message to 100,000 Muslim youth at wembly stadium in this September. Yet no one has heard of him - not on this site.

Again this is still the group that commits either no - or the least terrorism.

ALso no Sufis are known as terrorist as yet .... neither are Sunni Barelwi. Virtually all terrorism is supported by "Wahabia" school of though. Its ideological centre is as always - Saudi.

Innocent people should not be killed. Killing is bad if it happens in a Mosque in Pakistan or in a subway in London.

So why didn't your heart go to the 3,00 killed by Hindu fundamentalists in Gujarat - widely known that it was being supported by Goverment?

Or the 100,000s killed in Iraq by "Shock and Awe" tactics.... that were obviouly hardly necessary.

Submitting....

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