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Reader comment on item: Istinja' with the Torah and New Testament
in response to reader comment: The Islamic tradition and al-khara' wa al-istinja' and other sordid matters

Submitted by abdellah lasri (Germany), Sep 29, 2010 at 03:06

i really appreciate that you take your time to translate all well and try to analyse this fatwa!

you seem to be an arabic reader (egyptian may be) so probably we can speak about the translation (no body answered about this phrase the the autour changed after my first reaction)

so for the a i find your translation very good and correct! and actually yes! it's very clear because it's not really allowed to clean up with bible (i dont know why this idea!)

you just began to say some strange things in the A.1! yes torah zabouur and injil was sent to abraham david and issa (jesus) but if you follow the story in the quran you find that quran say that AFTER people changed some things or corrupt or whatever you want! (it's what we say in the islamic tradition, i'm not here to offenbse people but to have a dialog)

your a. 2 is more strangely interpreted! where do you see that in qoran it says that the bible cannot be changed!! it's wrote about qoran! and it's one of the clearest ideas of islam!

ok, the 3 and 4 and 5 dont work any more! but what i understand here is that it's not possible to clean with bible! because jesus is a sacred name, mary, david, god!! names that we find everywhere in the bible!

in the B part, your are less pertinent in the interpretation! ( plz note that in recurrent that in a fatwa we find a text from other persons or from coran or hadith who have relation with the fatwa and confirm it, here (and it's very important) it's the text of a person who died 400 before)

the word that every body want to translate with respeced (MUHTARAM or MUHTARIM) has in this case the meaning (SACRED). When you say respected you manipulate spirits here and you make them thing that only names of muhammad or allah is respected! but sacred has all the names! mohamma, jesus, david etc.

after you add just a smal "and" who dont exist in the arabic version in this phrase( not respected like (books) of philosophy the Torah and the injiil (read this as the NT) science and made corrupted and made of it great name al-istija' is allowed with it. End") who confuse the meaning! all this elements are not 5 diffrent things ( philosophy + torah + injil + made corrupted + there is no great name on it) but it's " (philosophy + torah + injil), that we know corrupted and in the same time dont containg a great name! who change literally the meaning!

allahu a3lam is a normal phrase! who is very positif! i dont know why you attack it! it more to describe our ignorance and not our stubbornness!

for my bonus of the day : uhm, why god sent jesus with a new religion if the religion before were already perfect?

and dont forget that christianism as we know it was decided in the concil of nicea, where an emperor (even not a religion person) decided that it will be like this and not like this! corrupted is to understand false some phrases! look at the jehova witness!!! did you read their bible?

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