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You need to stick to Urdu our dear Eman

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in response to reader comment: do you know what is ISNAD? of course not...

Submitted by dhimmi no more (United States), Jun 6, 2010 at 11:27

Our dear Eman who is no more than one more victim of the Arabs and their imperialism wrote

>This totally proves that you pick and choose what suits you without really knowing what are you talking about...you have to understand that Islam is much deeper and systematic than you can ever imagine, it is PERFECT.

It sounds like Muslims to me

>Read the rest on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_of_hadith

Oh the great wikipedia so you cannot read or write Arabic right darling? Oh the Paki "Read Qur'an topos" Now it is "read Wikipedia" sobanallah

>What is sanad?

ROTFL sanad? Darling it is isnad and you ain't no Arab and by the way the word sanad in the language of your masters the arabs means he supports so who is the he and what is supporting. You need to stick to Urdu

For the readers the Muslim 3ulama realized early on that there were lots of bogus ahadith (plural of hadith or the sayings attributed to a certain Arabian warlord and caravan raider) and in typical Muslim fashion they had to invent the idea of al-isnad and not your bogus sanad but again they did not realize that if you can create bogus ahadith then you can indeed create bogus isnad so much for the Muslim mind

But Muslims realized that indeed al-isnad can be fabricated so they had to invent and write books to check on the names of those mentioned in al-isnad and when all failed they divided al-ahadith into sahih wa da3eef and only allhu a3lam and then it goes on and on

Rational Muslims and they exist realized that this is all waste of time and that al-ahadith from A to Z are all bogus and now we have The Qur'an only Muslims right our dear Eman the wannabe Arab?

> what is matn?

al-matn is the substance of the hadith but in typical Muslim fashion as long as al-isnad is correct then the matn of the hadith must be correct so we have ahadith sahiha like for example rida3at al-kabeer (I'm just curious would you allow your daughter to breast feed an adult employee that work with her as per this hadith that is sahih?) and that drinking the urine of al-ba3eer or the camel can cure many diseases so do you drink camel's urine our dear Eman?

So much for the matn

>The Science of hadith (Arabic: علم الحديث ) is a general category consisting of the numerous disciplines used in the study of hadith.[1] It is the process that Muslim scholars use to evaluate hadith, utilizing hadith terminology. It has been described by one hadith specialist, Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti, as the science of the principles by which the conditions of both the sanad,

ROTFL it is isnad

>the chain of narration, and the matn, the text of the hadith, are known. This science is concerned with the sanad and the matn with its objective being distinguishing the sahih, authentic, from other than it…The following is taken from http://ebrahimsaifuddin.wordpress.com/2006/10/03/the-false-account-of-asma-bint-marwan/The False Account of Asma bint Marwanby Ebrahim SaifuddinProphet Muhammad(Salla Allahualihi Wasallam) has been accused of ordering the killing of Asma bint Marwan after she had insulted him(saw) through her poetry. She was a poetess and a mother for whose death our Prophet(saw) is being held responsible.Any student of Islam knows that the life of Prophet Muhammad(saw) has been described in detail in what he call the "Ahadith". Ahadith in whole are basically collected stories, events, actions of the Prophet(saw). However not all the stories transmitted down by a chain of narrators are cent percent true. There are many sahih, hasan, da'eef (weak) ahadith. For Muslims it was very important to develop a science of hadith to separate truth from falsehood.There are two places where this story about the killing of Asma bint Marwan has been reported and those are:

For the readers ALL THE HADITH literature bogus and it is late and it is anachronistic and no hadith can be linked to Muhammad not a single one

>1) Kitab at-Tabaqat al-Kabirand2) Kinz ul Ummal

ROTFL Paki Arabic it is Kinz al-3umal or the treasure of the workers

>In Kinz ul Ummal this story is related under number 44131 and has been attributed to three people namely Ibn Asaker, Ibn Sad and Ibn Adiyy.

Then if your islamic books or kutub al-turath al-islami are not correct then destory them is this asking for much

>Ibn Adiyy is also the author of the book Al-Kamel and in that book he has mentioned this incident and on the authority of Jafar Ibn Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Ibn As-Sabah on authority of Muhammad Ibn Ibrahim Ash-Shami on authority of Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj Al-Lakhmi on authority of Mujalid on authority of Ash-Shu'abi on authority of Ibn 'Abbas, he has added the following:

For the readers: It is islamic delusions

>this isnad (chain of reporters) is not narrated on authority of Mujalid but by Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj and they all (other reporters in the chain) accuse Muhammad Ibn Al-Hajjaj of forging it. (Al-Kamel Vol 6, pg. 145)Ibn al-Gawzi in his book Al-Ilal (Vol. 1, pg. 279) mentioned that this report was false. This report is also listed among other flawed reports.

How do you know it is flawed? You do not know right?

>Hence in conclusion this report is nothing but a fabricated lie – a forgery and should be discarded.

I urge you to abandon islam and be free again

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