Submitted by Monte Gardner (United States), Apr 8, 2007 at 02:16
Ok, I understand that the theme park in question was not actually guilty of practicing some kind of discrimination. It sounds like their intent was not actually to create some kind of segregated 'muslims only' atmosphere. I've often heard of christian churhces shelling out a few dollars to a local them park so that their kids can have a 'day of good-clean fun'. In and of itself, there's nothing wrong with this.
When the ICNA promoted the affair as an exclusionary event, however, they crossed a line from simple 'good clean fun' to Islamism, an attempt and reforming the public aspect of society into a sharia atmosphere. First off, it was wrong to misconstrue what the theme park had offered them. It was wrong to promote the kind of polarization that they promoted.
I believe this kind of thing comes down to a core problem with Islam - that of ones surroundings. Islam seems to be very outward religion, one that is very concerened with the kind of environment that a believer lives in. If I understand right, Islam demands that is adherents not only transform themselves, but also the civilizations around them. Theres a verse in the Koran that goes something like "allow what is allowed and prohibit what is prohibited" (someone fill that in for me?). While Christianity also has its utopian elements, its generally understood that the transformation is to be achieved passively, by example: "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your father in heaven" etc.
I think this difference was also highlighted within this thread by the well meaning, but naive, Sarah who stated:
"It was a focus on how to ensure that Muslims will have a fun and halal day where they will be able to do all the things they couldn't normally do on a regular visit to 6 flags. Muslim pray 5 times a day, so there will be designated prayer days. Muslims eat halal food only , so the vendors will serve Halal food. Muslims don't gamble or drink and are not allowed to be in places where those things occur, so there will not be any gambling or drinking...."
Notice the premise-conclusion combination here.
Muslims believe it is wrong to drink and gamble --> In order to enjoy a day at the theme park, we must outlaw all such activities.
Muslims can only eat Halal Food ---> In order to have an enjoyable day of fun, we must transform the vendors into Islamic food vendors, rather then choosing those items from the generally available menu that fit our standards.
Muslims Pray 5 times a day ---> We need to appropriate our own "muslims only" prayer area in order to accomplish this.
Thus we see that Sarah, however well-intentioned she may be, is actually promoting the talibanization of this theme park, a rather dangerous precendent.
Now I know that Christians have also, at times, overstepped the bounds of reasonable democratic participation. The whole probhibition era beeing a prominent example of this. It just seems to me that Islam has a much harder time integrating into a pluralist society that doesnt always share its straightlaced view on proper behavior. I think this trouble may come from the historical fact that Islam developed its behavioral rules at a time when it dominated the world and could effectively dictated "what was allowed and what was prohibited". Now, Muslims immigrate to the west where they are relatively disempowered (only have equal rights with everyone else) and they still havent figured out fully how to deal with that new situation.
I would like to see Mr. Pipes or perhaps Emerson write an article on the theology/history behind these ideas of the external transformative goals embedded in islamic theology and history. I'd also be interested in what some moderate (non-Hizbulla sympathizing) muslim theologians have to say about this issue.
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| Fun in islam [71 words] | Janah | Mar 27, 2009 13:36 |
| The Municipal Pool problem cannot be put in the same level as Six Flag. [348 words] | Ynnatchkah | Apr 21, 2008 18:32 |
| typical behaviour [246 words] | Phil Greend | Nov 28, 2007 18:59 |
| ↔ REPLY TO MR. GREEND [134 words] | Mariam A | Jan 3, 2008 04:41 |
| ↔ Mariam: "You People" have rights too [187 words] | Viking Woman | Apr 21, 2008 04:46 |
| Nothing is wrong with a MUSLIM DAY! [60 words] | Sabah Rana | Jul 2, 2007 12:59 |
| ↔ THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!! [45 words] | Verballistic | Oct 8, 2007 20:37 |
| ↔ Nothing is wrong with a Nudist Day!! [94 words] | jennifer solis | Oct 9, 2007 14:14 |
| ↔ muslims only ... yes ! [94 words] | christopher | Nov 12, 2007 06:59 |
| Wow [250 words] | Sarah | Sep 8, 2006 15:18 |
| ↔ Thank you SARAH! [34 words] | Bey | Sep 10, 2006 13:50 |
| ↔ You're denying reality. [47 words] | likwidshoe | Sep 21, 2006 01:54 |
| ↔ We just see clearly [30 words] | likwidshoe | Sep 21, 2006 01:56 |
| ↔ HAVE I EVER MET A MUSLIM? [72 words] | r.d.howell | Feb 23, 2007 21:13 |
| ↔ ⇒ The Talibanization of 6-flags [651 words] | Monte Gardner | Apr 8, 2007 02:16 |
| Why Muslims Only Day? What if it were Jews or Christians only? [109 words] | Abbie | Aug 8, 2006 05:42 |
| ↔ what's wrong with [71 words] | muslim | Aug 14, 2006 23:52 |
| ↔ Muslims Alone is Peace? No Jews, Christians, or others [304 words] | Abbie | Aug 16, 2006 03:41 |
| ↔ Dear Abbie [506 words] | Kiana | Sep 22, 2006 05:30 |
| ↔ Dear Kiana....If Muslims Want to Be Known as Peaceful, then They Must Show It [274 words] | Abbie | Sep 24, 2006 01:32 |
| ↔ Dear Abbie [388 words] | Kiana | Sep 24, 2006 16:14 |
| ↔ Muslims Must Take Action for Change [271 words] | Abbie | Sep 25, 2006 02:06 |
| ↔ Abbie [121 words] | muslimah | Jan 23, 2007 11:10 |
| ↔ Muslimah...why do you need to practice religion in a fun park? [203 words] | Abbie | Jan 24, 2007 04:16 |
| ↔ Bible False? Jesus Christ a Liar? Quran True? [108 words] | Lawrence Chapman | Jan 29, 2007 15:30 |
| ↔ reply to abby [205 words] | caroline | Jan 5, 2008 17:20 |
| ↔ Abbie, you need to think again [315 words] | Ammor | Mar 31, 2008 17:00 |
| ↔ Ammor...please send your note to the most voilent population in the world today [210 words] | Abbie | Apr 2, 2008 02:53 |
| ↔ Dear Abbie, better late than never [308 words] | Kiana | Sep 29, 2008 12:56 |
| ↔ Dear Kiana, non-American groups need to make others feel comfortable [426 words] | Abbie | Sep 30, 2008 04:05 |
| I'm not surprised that the "First National Muslim Fun Day" was cancelled! [44 words] | dihmmi no more | Aug 3, 2006 06:49 |
| why ? [91 words] | confused | Jul 13, 2006 13:46 |
| ↔ Engcouraged? [95 words] | Aaron | Aug 2, 2006 23:07 |
| ↔ Shame on who? [27 words] | likwidshoe | Sep 21, 2006 02:03 |
| ↔ "confused" is confused Aaron [6 words] | likwidshoe | Sep 21, 2006 02:05 |
| ↔ Read Islam not today muslims, then give your comment [69 words] | faheem sajid | Jun 14, 2007 21:35 |
| Why Six Flags is a perverted name [67 words] | Erik | Jul 7, 2006 11:45 |
| Why would there be an "outrage"? [28 words] | cool_chick | Jul 4, 2006 00:46 |
| wrong, wrong, and wrong again [251 words] | irfan | Jul 3, 2006 17:30 |
| "Muslim Day" Six Flags Adventure park. [126 words] | Jeff Johnson | Jul 2, 2006 23:47 |
| ↔ re:"muslim day" [86 words] | joana | Aug 17, 2006 00:13 |
| ↔ so what? [72 words] | meda | Sep 9, 2006 19:15 |
| ↔ We'll judge all we want, thank you very much [32 words] | likwidshoe | Sep 21, 2006 01:59 |
| ↔ Don't let six flags get your money Jeff!!! [158 words] | Byte MaNyls | Mar 29, 2007 16:36 |
| ↔ disgusting. [224 words] | Abeerah | Oct 4, 2007 18:32 |
| ↔ Christian Day [127 words] | Abeerah | Oct 5, 2007 20:53 |
| ↔ Ignorance is real [144 words] | Antanique | Aug 25, 2008 12:57 |
| ↔ Muslim day at six flags [64 words] | Sara Kattawy | Aug 28, 2008 09:49 |
| ↔ What! [100 words] | Rshidah | Sep 21, 2008 14:01 |
| ↔ The Muslim six-flags day, [199 words] | hellO! | Sep 27, 2008 21:03 |
| ↔ GET OVER IT [46 words] | Nicole | Sep 30, 2008 23:29 |
| ↔ muslim day [27 words] | muslim | Oct 4, 2008 16:23 |
| ↔ jeff you're wrong! [128 words] | peace for muslims | Sep 20, 2009 13:00 |
| Muslims only?!?! [86 words] | Kevin M | Jul 2, 2006 21:07 |
| Is there such a thing as having fun in Islam? [42 words] | dhimmi no more | Jul 2, 2006 16:14 |
| ↔ Fun In Islam [55 words] | MUHAMMAD Faheem | Jun 14, 2007 06:24 |
| Six Flags is sick flags [29 words] | Arlene | Jul 1, 2006 23:35 |
| ↔ This turns my stomach. [20 words] | SoapScumBuildup | Jul 3, 2006 02:24 |
| ↔ What next? [44 words] | joe | Jul 3, 2006 08:23 |
| ↔ Ignorance....what a shame [229 words] | Proud Muslim | Sep 13, 2006 19:37 |
| ↔ Muslims have nobody to blame but themselves. [18 words] | likwidshoe | Sep 21, 2006 01:50 |
| ↔ THE ONLY RELIGION [38 words] | R.D.Howell | Feb 23, 2007 21:10 |
| ↔ Fear them all! [133 words] | Byte MaNayls | Mar 29, 2007 15:34 |
| ↔ Double standard with regard to Catholics [171 words] | About Catholics | Apr 8, 2007 02:32 |
| ↔ reply [48 words] | Byte MaNyls | Apr 9, 2007 14:31 |
| ↔ EDUCATE YOURSELF PEOPLE! [263 words] | Mariam A | Oct 11, 2007 01:19 |
| ↔ yeh [115 words] | PEACE | Jul 10, 2009 14:15 |