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Big difference between tradition and law

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Submitted by Ursula Dick (United States), Feb 3, 2007 at 14:46

Please don't insult the Amish. Whereas Muslims enjoy to savagely kill and/or slash throats of anyone--Muslim or non-Muslim--who doesn't abide by the beliefs of the masses or those in power. Amish members may leave their communities at any time without fear of reprisal. On the other hand, Muslims in the West who wish to assimilate into their host country's culture must live under constant death threats, mostly from immediately family members.

Traditions aside, here is why Islam--in its present forn -will NEVER be acceptable to me. Is it not perverse
to believe, and /or impose by law, that:

  • Free thought and expression should be punished.
  • Honor killings for any reason are justified.
  • Animals are dirty.
  • The separation of men/women and/or boys/girls is natural.
  • Music and art are evil. (Name one Muslim country that has a children's choir or an orchestra the likes of André Rieu)
  • A woman or female child is inferior and may not shake or hold a man's/boy's hand, and must walk behind male escorts.
  • Beaches, restaurants, or any establishment must be segregated by gender.
  • Hospitals must separate patients and treatment by gender.
  • Women cover themselves from head to toe for a life time in ugly, objectionable garment so as not to sexually arouse and tempt the male population. (If Muslim men can't blame Jews or Americans, they'll blame their women)
  • etc, etc, etc, etc.

There may be many Muslims who do share some of my opinions, but they pay a high price. I can think of Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Irshad Manji, both of whom must have 24-hour protection for being free thinkers.. For those who are offended by my comments, I say: "If the shoe fits, wear it." This has nothing to do with Islamophobia, but has all to do with not returning to the stone age.


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